brexit, uk is a shithole sorta saved by immigrants.

i mean is it true freedom when rich people have way more power than normal people

lmao this is a dumbass channel, motherfuckers acting like they know anything lmaooo

what did i expect

not really, just showed up in this right wing shithole lmao, also nice try to stereotype me i guess 👌

EU > UK, i really don't understand why the UK can live without the support of the EU and their economy based off primarily services like banks which people can just boycot by not using lmaoooo

yh the self awareness isn't there chief

man dont say that! some ppl here will unironically believe that

anyways, how goes it, my fellow libtard brother? @brett0007wastaken

bashit? And idk if u should be like that 🤔 i think those "gate keepers" are rare af and personally never meant them, i mean there are tonnes of people like vaush who are trying to get more moderates like you i guess. And yeah the right is pretty retarded... ngl there are some smart people but bc of the nature of staying with the cultural norms and following ignorance generally... its retarded.

never heard of him lmao

link me some of his best work

chill lmao, explain why

`Meaning he's commie but hates commie than says commies bad but Trump bad too. So vote for commie. But commies rig. So don't vote for commie?` wtf are you saying dude lmao, that made no coherent sense

probably

maybe he is new to politics ;/

@Louis explain ur problems with communism, whether economic or even social

its not communism itself, its the incompetency of the government, which fucked over their citizens and didn't prioritize them, for example in ww2. Mao-china and Stalin-china gave up alot of their people and land in order to fight back and showed no signs of actually valuing bettering their lives. Not communism itself, this is a common misconception.

that is a dumb take, and i don't think its misinformed by anything, personally i think they are all bad but ordering them linearly like that serves no purpose. And not necesarilly, there is no set way of communism, there is alot of different types

sure communism may be flawed but thats besides the point, communism itself didn't kill those people, the lack of Mao-china and stalin-ussr caring for their citiziens and incompetency did

dude... that is such a dumb metric of looking at a better system tbh and i just refuted why communism itself didn't and if anything stalin-ussr can be considered as fascist-socialist

okay man, chill out buddy, your points are being less and less coherent @Louis

lmao? That makes no coherent sense, you are equivocating two different things lmao

well it does because of vanguards states which do and im not even communist btw but lets play devils advocate i guess. It could work in a small state with strong nationalism and a centralised government i suppose @brett0007wastaken

not really lmao, they are entirely different. And explain in ur words which aren't sargons takes @Louis

how is kibbutzim relevant? And i don't really consume far right media anymore so im unaware of the talking points relating this.

LMAO the nazis were literally the opposite of socialist and hated them, if you were taught history right they would have explained this and they were just fascists

bruhhhh how many people keep making this flawed point.... so much misconceptions...

i don't see how that is relevant, but okay.. its literally what happened dude...........

not really lmao, explain in ur words why? They are on extreme poles on the political axis to help you better understand and communism and fascism have historically hated eachother if that means anything to you.

i mean they disagree on many things socially, economically especially lmao but i can't narrow down one specific thing as communism varies alot.

okay buddy, dont call me retarded and state nazis were socialist, also shias are a relatively tiny minority and i believe if i recall correctly make up about 10 percent

okay im done lmao

@brett0007wastaken thank you man... so many dumb people dude....

the world is fucked bc of people like louis

i explained why it being socialist was a misnomer but i guess u ignored it.

where did u get your education from? @Louis

im not trying to poison the well but damn dude...

chinas authoritarian stances, censorship of speech, a borderline cult of personality and other things make it fascst. China also becoming free market and engaging with neo-liberal globalisation and such makes it capitalistic, also notice how they don't go after the rich anymore.

@Louis lmao do you really think china is communist....

@brett0007wastaken i don't see this as a point since its very vague and do you really want to defend louis this far for me to ask you for an example and you having to spend alot of time to find an example? Also elaborate on what you mean by using "capitalism" and socialism". **PS I DONT THINK ITS WORTH TO DEFEND THIS GUY SO LETS STOP XD**

@Louis i think you dodged a bullet there, i infer you believe its communism but me explaining otherwise probably made you not blatantly say ur views xD, anyways lucky guy.

sure i can fuck with that and i do that too, however louis isn't someone to defend as he spills out garbage like "ThE nAzIs WeRe SoCiAlIsTs" and also that is a different point to which u previously made so i guess u kinda pivoting mate. Socialising and privatising are different points from using capitalism and socialism and you realise these two things aren't mutually exclusive, right?

lmao? dude are you serious? `Yeah, oddly you have more freedom in fascism than socialism and communism` explain... I feel like you have a misunderstanding of what socialism is

communism isn't necesarilly a dictatorship and in most cases doesn't even advocate for it, just a fascist dictator runs over lmao due to them being a vanguard party. In the USA communists would be able to overthrow the bourgeouise because they have alot of guns and alot of para-military

not all tho, american communists want it @randomNPCno3 and they might change their mind after hearing the need of guns

well i don't necesarilly think its inherently impossible, but hey i don't really want to die on this hill bc im not even communist

ok ok, explain why u think it is @brett0007wastaken

@kaolbrec not an in dept point lmao, elaborate and also i don't see `What are you left with after that point though? Everyone goes home and remembers to live in accordance with Communist tenets? No one misbehaves and starts being a secret capitalist?` as a strong point and is flawed bc communism is done by the proleteriat which makes up the majority of the people even rebelling, are you trying to say they don't even believe what they are fighting for? Also like most things society will decide what is right and wrong, so i guess anti-societal behaviour will be weeded out.

its not like a form of communism doesn't have some private property lmao

sure but you are just giving out niche theoretical scenarios and also i guess the communists will have their own state and repel all the people who don't believe in their cause and also try to convince them @brett0007wastaken

right @randomNPCno3 well in america this is less so but sure, generally this is an inductive point

well greediness imo is anti-society and would probably be again, weeded out as i said by society. I see it more as a anomally with a few greedy fucks doing this, and this is evident by a few of the elite holding the most money. Also im not communist and the communists themselves have many different propostions to solve these issues @kaolbrec

im not anarcho communist BTW!! but i keep an open mind and can sorta empathise with them

idk man it gets tiring responding all the time to stuff 💤

okay well this is an axiom, and sure but as i said i see it more as an anomally and shouldn't be stated as normal human behaviour imo @brett0007wastaken

yeah yeah its fine dw lol

how so? and whilst ur typing it im gonna do some multi tasking

wait what

@kaolbrec sure but i guess nothing works as perfectly planned

@brett0007wastaken sure but idk if this is a real point but more pseudo-science and its scientifically known that one of the major factors to humans being as sucessful as we are on earth, is the fact that we herded in groups - take us on as individuals then we are weak

sure but i don't see how that example is applicable to humans and is a niche example of that and also they can't if there is alot of sheep and male sheep/rams, but still a weak point

well before skipping the conclusion to pseudo-science, i would first provide and substantiate your points with scientific doctirine @brett0007wastaken

alot of people say similar stuff like this but get away with it because its pseudo-science and from observation, it tends not to necesarilly be true

not necesarilly, but please again, link to a scientific source to not spread misinformation

all your points are cute and all but you need to actually substantiate them with evidence

thats not a point, atleast link me to something, but still if you are going to say these behaviours exist, you need to link me to a scientific source or keyword of some kind to prove this, otherwise its just misinformation and anyone can do this shit lmao

"basic shit" isn't an excuse and lmao why do i need to substantiate your points when you are the one doing this.

if its so basic then substnaite it

@Crafty im not a communist and i asked for their takes since they are the ones making that arguement and also its an economic article but they can be refuted and such and aren't necesarilly indicitive of human behaviour all the time lmao

thats a flawed arguement because that example is self-evidental, however this isn't and you are pretty much lying at this point if you don't substantiate it @wacka

what? kinda but i don't see how the evidence part is applicable lmao, in this scenario, this guy made a pseudo-scientific point about "basic human behaviour" however he needs to substantiate it with evidence and also anyone can just make up shit like this and spreading misinformation is fucked up @Crafty

sure, you need to use a holistic method to measure why we succeeded but if this is "basic" as you claim then why can't you just give some evidence of some sort

not really? You are mongering pseudo-science which can be proven, however im speaking about social science, i am really confused why you are equivocating the two lmao

@wacka lmao... can you try to give an arguement why you disagree, and your joke was pathetic lmao so it failed twice as hard

sure thats one definition but you saying, `except geed fundamentally is, the asshole apeman on the savannah that can horde the most resorces is the one most lighly to survive, greed is an inherent positive trait an animal because survival above all else is the game` is sorta made up and comes out of nowhere

@wacka LMAO, are you playing dumb at this point dude

@wacka ok good job, i won't take you seriously for a long time, lmao `the joke wasnt mine... the joke is what you said` then goes to say just after, `the fact that you think what you said is a joke is also funny`

LMAO, he is talking about something that can scientifically be proven and science has looked into dude, LOL @wacka so ur point is weak

sauce lmao, and i get what you are doing now, instead of actually substantiating your claims you are just going to ask questions and make me substantiate them for you. Nah dude im not gonna play that game lmao

sure but i don't see how you can compare that to humans in any way as we are distinct species

`Over the last million years or so, people evolved the ability to learn from each other, creating the possibility of cumulative, cultural evolution.`

`Humans cooperate on a larger scale than most other mammals. Among social mammals, cooperation is mainly limited to relatives`

`Over the last million years or so, people evolved the ability to learn from each other, creating the possibility of cumulative, non-genetic evolution. These capacities were favoured by ordinary natural selection in the rapidly varying climates of the Middle and Upper Pleistocene, because cumulative cultural evolution allows humans to culturally evolve highly refined adaptations to local environments relatively quickly compared with genetic evolution`

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2781880/ source btw

and im arguing that humans are inherently social animals @wacka

brett said greed was essential and other points and made some pseudo-scientific points @kaolbrec

also lmao, you are still doing it and you realise these niche examples aren't representative of something far more complex @wacka

i explained why it was so empty statements dont cut it

sure but imo i feel this is more of an anomally and isn't the norm per se

also imo i think analogies are dumb... and you shouldn't really use them to make a point

don't just link me it, quote stuff from it lmao

lmao

@wacka sure but i am in favour of equality of opportunity and also people generally being equal is a good thing

@brett0007wastaken ok man, calm down on the attitude, i literally gave a counter example and took the time to disprove ur pseudo-science and you do this...I think i might have to stop engaging with you

@wacka well marxists can also believe in equality of opportunity lmao, I think i weird criticism and a weak one at that is taking equality to the extreme and to quote one of the 'criticisms' i have heard: "should we ensure everyone has 4 arms and legs? What if someone loses them?" I am sure you are smart enough to infer why this is a flawed point and unnecessarilly takes marxism to the extreme and is very unreasonable.

@brett0007wastaken chill out buddy, all your un-scientificness is giving the left a bad rep, also i don't feel like its worth to respond to that anger rant

labour theory of value?

also `Marx did not refer to his own theory of value as a "labour theory of value".` so marx value theory isn't a good name if you are referring to it @wacka

i mean im not going to defend it since im not particularly a marxist, but im sure there are people who can competently do it @wacka and brush aside your potential misconceptions