@brett0007wastaken i don't see this as a point since its very vague and do you really want to defend louis this far for me to ask you for an example and you having to spend alot of time to find an example? Also elaborate on what you mean by using "capitalism" and socialism". **PS I DONT THINK ITS WORTH TO DEFEND THIS GUY SO LETS STOP XD**

@Louis i think you dodged a bullet there, i infer you believe its communism but me explaining otherwise probably made you not blatantly say ur views xD, anyways lucky guy.

Literal wut.

I guess China moving away from Communist/Socialist principles has no bearing on their viability either.

@xlD4NKlx im saying they would socialize or privatise whatever suited there needs the most, also ill defend what i see as being factually correct, not just dunk on people because i disagree with there politics

China isn't moving away from communism, HK is

china is NOT communist by any streach of imagination, it bears more resemblence to classical fascism.

sure i can fuck with that and i do that too, however louis isn't someone to defend as he spills out garbage like "ThE nAzIs WeRe SoCiAlIsTs" and also that is a different point to which u previously made so i guess u kinda pivoting mate. Socialising and privatising are different points from using capitalism and socialism and you realise these two things aren't mutually exclusive, right?

@brett0007wastaken fascism allows private Enterprise, the only place that's allowed is HK and barely there

@randomNPCno3 fascism allows whatever the fuck it wants, because fascism is the state above all else

Yeah, oddly you have more freedom in fascism than socialism and communism

Of the horrific government models, it's not the worst

you culd have an entirly socialist fascist or a capitolist fascist state because the mode of economy isnt what matters its the state itself

lmao? dude are you serious? `Yeah, oddly you have more freedom in fascism than socialism and communism` explain... I feel like you have a misunderstanding of what socialism is

id argue fascism is just as bad as communism both are shitty dictatorships run by despots who will not even spare a second thought of offing you if you become a problem

communism isn't necesarilly a dictatorship and in most cases doesn't even advocate for it, just a fascist dictator runs over lmao due to them being a vanguard party. In the USA communists would be able to overthrow the bourgeouise because they have alot of guns and alot of para-military

Our communists are anti gun

moot point because communism is inherently impossible and always falls to becoming a dictatorship

not all tho, american communists want it @randomNPCno3 and they might change their mind after hearing the need of guns

What are you left with after that point though? Everyone goes home and remembers to live in accordance with Communist tenets? No one misbehaves and starts being a secret capitalist?

well i don't necesarilly think its inherently impossible, but hey i don't really want to die on this hill bc im not even communist

it is

ok ok, explain why u think it is @brett0007wastaken

Because people?

because humans are innatly selfish assholes

Left for two minutes and I see "lOuIs did stinky brain"

And the fact that it depends on something from nothing to sustain itself

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It might, *might* be possible in post-scarcity I guess, if you have matter-replicators powered by Star Trek technology

That would make socialism possible, possibly

@kaolbrec the thing about star trek is its not comminism because there is still private propery

Yeah I remember that being mentioned in the Starship Troopers video

@kaolbrec not an in dept point lmao, elaborate and also i don't see `What are you left with after that point though? Everyone goes home and remembers to live in accordance with Communist tenets? No one misbehaves and starts being a secret capitalist?` as a strong point and is flawed bc communism is done by the proleteriat which makes up the majority of the people even rebelling, are you trying to say they don't even believe what they are fighting for? Also like most things society will decide what is right and wrong, so i guess anti-societal behaviour will be weeded out.

Communism would still fail without a hive mind

its not like a form of communism doesn't have some private property lmao

@xlD4NKlx and what if its a 51/49 split?

No, some make the effort at the illusion of private property

are the 51% going to opress the 49?

Everything is state property

sure but you are just giving out niche theoretical scenarios and also i guess the communists will have their own state and repel all the people who don't believe in their cause and also try to convince them @brett0007wastaken

right @randomNPCno3 well in america this is less so but sure, generally this is an inductive point