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**EU FEDERATION WHEN BOIS**
How did you botch that opportunity for a joke
Is this channel really going to last? How long until the collapse of the EU now?
lol the UK channel is going to die much faster
Around this year
The damn germans won't let it die
>implying the Uk will outlast the EU
tfw united ireland, indi scotland, wales and london
UK back in the EU by the end of 2019, why not merge the two channels already?
If past millennium says anything, it will be UK who outlasts EU though
didn't you notice Merkel warning that UK could become a serious competitor?
As a vassal State to the Federation and PRC, perhaps.
well ok, 300-500 years?
when did scotland finally join? 18th century?
Really though, there's nothing of interest in Scotland, so it's not like it matters
Nearly 50% of all Chinese -> EU FDI is going straight into the UK.
Really, European federation wouldn't be such a bad thing, it just needs a good constitution
That's why you saw them acquire a firm that both produces and manages government and military communications infrastructure via a state-cartel, what? Last year?
Chances are, it's gonna happen either way, so we might as well try to put together something that will be somewhat tolerable.
I tend to agree, Leavethisbotnet, but that is for them to decide. France rejected it when last the ratification process was initiated after WWII.
Eu is gonna get federated real soon tbh
its either that or collapse
we started moving on an EU army already
The arguments for it are too strong, even when it comes to immigration. It's more efficient to secure the borders of Europe, than it is all the border around the region, plus the internals.
many states have common brigades nowdays
atleast in the west
Yeah, but it's still inefficient, because the training is variant, laws differ.
That's why their defense budget is nearly as high as the U.S. (if you add up the budgets of each country throughout the region), yet has what? 17% of the operational capacity of our army?
you cant compare the US army to an EU army that dont exist yet on all member states
will see down the road tho
Right, I'm saying they don't have an EU army.
it wont take too long
especially if the uk leaves
its gonna be pretty easy
cause they currently veto a lot of unification stuff
Thus, platforms are variant and non-standardized, but I also agree with arguments against an EU at the same time.
Yeah, but the UK would be able to influence the EU into a positive direction, if they remained. Many of the worries could be abated.
They'd be of less concern, at least.
But, you're right. A USE is practically a guarantee at this point, given something around 70% of all citizens throughout the region nationally identify as Europeans, rather than of their host or country of origin.
>militia and armed forces being necessary to the right of self determination, federal government and judiciary shall place no limitations or impositions on the right of states to raise, equip and maintain army or militia, except in case of international weapons non-proliferation treaties - and in such cases, the limitation on the states shall not be any higher than limitation placed upon the forces subordinate to federal organs
That's practically the structure of the US as it were.
On paper, at least.
It will probably be very hard to convince some states to agree to give more powers to the federal government without a limitation like this
Yeah. The problem is, 2A simply would not fly in EU states.
Which is why I came up with a european variant.
Keep the links, talk and posting to the politics of the channel please. Do not post off topic, that is what we have the Xenoi channels for. Thank you!
Yeah, I'm not too fond of a USE, without recognition to the rights of self-preservation, @leavethisbotnet. With a growth in the bureaucracy, under a more efficient governance and military, it'd be wise to recognize 2A.
What really highlighted this for me was the Catalonia situation. If they had a militia, they'd be independent by now.
The question is whether such is within their interests, but a proper representation of the militia is always the armed, common man, those subject to governance.
@leavethisbotnet, let's take Catalonia to <#622430651668234240>, as I have questions pertaining to Catalonia.
The Catalonia situation, as it relates to the dynamics between a state and a subordinate region absolutely on topic though.
Indeed, @leavethisbotnet. I merely had further questions diving off into the domestic politics of Catalonia, as I haven't followed the situation in over a year.
What happened to that EU army compilation video? I can't find it even with these keywords: `"european army" nick clegg farage miliband`
I dont even know how they're gonna do a EU military, Cooperation between NATO members is already difficult and they dont even have fully intergrated their militaries
I doubt we're gonna see a Unified EU command under the commission, the states would never allow that, they'll probaly create a separate military high command directly under their influence
With the help of lies, a government can start an immoral war, I think it's equally possible to create a new army this way
Not neccessarily super likely in the very near future due to the Iraq war disaster though, so it'll probably happen towards the end of our lifetime
It’s already done.
An ‘army’ is already made.
You people are talking about yesterdays news. As usual.
lel, tnx weez
hmm so the structure is there, it would just have to grow🤔
From reading it, I wouldn't call it an EU army, but some are trying to make it one
This though wtf
55%? Is that a result of globalist propaganda?
Why are you spergs upset about an EU army?
Oh yeah right an EU army is such a great idea, lets have more centralized power instead of less
idk, im just intrigued by how it works
It's not like Europeans are already having a hard time buying firearms legally, I'm sure an EU army will make it much more likely we'll be allowed to defend ourselves /s
A more powerful EU will allow them to exert pressure on Russia, stopping their expansion.
I also love all this interventionism we've been seeing from the US, lets copy it
More more more
Oh, you’re just terrified of “muh government”
It's almost as if... I should be terrified of them
the EU is more a fan of soft power but whatever
I need a reason to be <:think:604636148970553344>
Everything is a reason
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