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2019-09-14 14:02:32 UTC

uk best

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2019-09-14 14:10:23 UTC

How did you botch that opportunity for a joke

2019-09-14 14:10:35 UTC

Is this channel really going to last? How long until the collapse of the EU now?

2019-09-14 14:10:48 UTC


2019-09-14 14:10:50 UTC

lol the UK channel is going to die much faster

2019-09-14 14:10:56 UTC

Around this year

2019-09-14 14:10:59 UTC

The damn germans won't let it die

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2019-09-14 14:11:02 UTC

>implying the Uk will outlast the EU

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2019-09-14 14:11:17 UTC

I'd never.

2019-09-14 14:11:28 UTC

tfw united ireland, indi scotland, wales and london

2019-09-14 14:11:52 UTC

UK back in the EU by the end of 2019, why not merge the two channels already?

2019-09-14 14:11:57 UTC

If past millennium says anything, it will be UK who outlasts EU though

2019-09-14 14:12:27 UTC

>past millenium

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2019-09-14 14:12:46 UTC

didn't you notice Merkel warning that UK could become a serious competitor?

2019-09-14 14:13:06 UTC

As a vassal State to the Federation and PRC, perhaps.

2019-09-14 14:13:11 UTC

well ok, 300-500 years?

2019-09-14 14:13:11 UTC


2019-09-14 14:13:23 UTC

when did scotland finally join? 18th century?

2019-09-14 14:13:53 UTC

Really though, there's nothing of interest in Scotland, so it's not like it matters

2019-09-14 14:16:21 UTC

Nearly 50% of all Chinese -> EU FDI is going straight into the UK.

2019-09-14 14:17:17 UTC

Really, European federation wouldn't be such a bad thing, it just needs a good constitution

2019-09-14 14:17:23 UTC

That's why you saw them acquire a firm that both produces and manages government and military communications infrastructure via a state-cartel, what? Last year?

2019-09-14 14:18:08 UTC

Chances are, it's gonna happen either way, so we might as well try to put together something that will be somewhat tolerable.

2019-09-14 14:18:14 UTC

I tend to agree, Leavethisbotnet, but that is for them to decide. France rejected it when last the ratification process was initiated after WWII.

2019-09-14 14:18:37 UTC

Eu is gonna get federated real soon tbh

2019-09-14 14:18:52 UTC

its either that or collapse

2019-09-14 14:19:37 UTC

we started moving on an EU army already

2019-09-14 14:19:45 UTC

The arguments for it are too strong, even when it comes to immigration. It's more efficient to secure the borders of Europe, than it is all the border around the region, plus the internals.

2019-09-14 14:19:50 UTC

many states have common brigades nowdays

2019-09-14 14:19:54 UTC

atleast in the west

2019-09-14 14:20:10 UTC

Yeah, but it's still inefficient, because the training is variant, laws differ.

2019-09-14 14:20:44 UTC

That's why their defense budget is nearly as high as the U.S. (if you add up the budgets of each country throughout the region), yet has what? 17% of the operational capacity of our army?

2019-09-14 14:21:28 UTC

you cant compare the US army to an EU army that dont exist yet on all member states

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2019-09-14 14:21:48 UTC

will see down the road tho

2019-09-14 14:21:50 UTC

Right, I'm saying they don't have an EU army.

2019-09-14 14:21:53 UTC

it wont take too long

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2019-09-14 14:22:20 UTC

especially if the uk leaves

2019-09-14 14:22:28 UTC

its gonna be pretty easy

2019-09-14 14:22:49 UTC

cause they currently veto a lot of unification stuff

2019-09-14 14:23:02 UTC

Thus, platforms are variant and non-standardized, but I also agree with arguments against an EU at the same time.

2019-09-14 14:23:45 UTC

Yeah, but the UK would be able to influence the EU into a positive direction, if they remained. Many of the worries could be abated.

2019-09-14 14:24:05 UTC

They'd be of less concern, at least.

2019-09-14 14:26:03 UTC

But, you're right. A USE is practically a guarantee at this point, given something around 70% of all citizens throughout the region nationally identify as Europeans, rather than of their host or country of origin.

2019-09-14 14:26:41 UTC

>militia and armed forces being necessary to the right of self determination, federal government and judiciary shall place no limitations or impositions on the right of states to raise, equip and maintain army or militia, except in case of international weapons non-proliferation treaties - and in such cases, the limitation on the states shall not be any higher than limitation placed upon the forces subordinate to federal organs

2019-09-14 14:28:21 UTC

That's practically the structure of the US as it were.

2019-09-14 14:28:31 UTC

On paper, at least.

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2019-09-14 14:28:34 UTC

It will probably be very hard to convince some states to agree to give more powers to the federal government without a limitation like this

2019-09-14 14:29:11 UTC

Yeah. The problem is, 2A simply would not fly in EU states.

2019-09-14 14:29:43 UTC

Which is why I came up with a european variant.

2019-09-14 14:34:59 UTC

Keep the links, talk and posting to the politics of the channel please. Do not post off topic, that is what we have the Xenoi channels for. Thank you!

2019-09-14 14:35:02 UTC

2019-09-14 14:36:55 UTC

Yeah, I'm not too fond of a USE, without recognition to the rights of self-preservation, @leavethisbotnet. With a growth in the bureaucracy, under a more efficient governance and military, it'd be wise to recognize 2A.

2019-09-14 14:38:08 UTC

What really highlighted this for me was the Catalonia situation. If they had a militia, they'd be independent by now.

2019-09-14 14:50:48 UTC

The question is whether such is within their interests, but a proper representation of the militia is always the armed, common man, those subject to governance.

2019-09-14 14:51:17 UTC

@leavethisbotnet, let's take Catalonia to <#622430651668234240>, as I have questions pertaining to Catalonia.

2019-09-14 14:54:58 UTC

The Catalonia situation, as it relates to the dynamics between a state and a subordinate region absolutely on topic though.

2019-09-15 03:47:55 UTC

Indeed, @leavethisbotnet. I merely had further questions diving off into the domestic politics of Catalonia, as I haven't followed the situation in over a year.

2019-09-15 07:40:52 UTC

What happened to that EU army compilation video? I can't find it even with these keywords: `"european army" nick clegg farage miliband`

2019-09-15 10:29:39 UTC

I dont even know how they're gonna do a EU military, Cooperation between NATO members is already difficult and they dont even have fully intergrated their militaries

2019-09-15 10:32:23 UTC

I doubt we're gonna see a Unified EU command under the commission, the states would never allow that, they'll probaly create a separate military high command directly under their influence

2019-09-15 10:33:06 UTC

With the help of lies, a government can start an immoral war, I think it's equally possible to create a new army this way

2019-09-15 10:34:01 UTC

Not neccessarily super likely in the very near future due to the Iraq war disaster though, so it'll probably happen towards the end of our lifetime

2019-09-15 10:34:09 UTC

It’s already done.

2019-09-15 10:35:24 UTC

An ‘army’ is already made.

2019-09-15 10:37:14 UTC

You people are talking about yesterdays news. As usual.

2019-09-15 10:39:02 UTC

lel, tnx weez

2019-09-15 10:39:05 UTC

intresting stuff

2019-09-15 10:40:34 UTC

hmm so the structure is there, it would just have to grow🤔

2019-09-15 10:41:27 UTC

From reading it, I wouldn't call it an EU army, but some are trying to make it one

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2019-09-15 10:43:43 UTC

55%? Is that a result of globalist propaganda?

2019-09-15 10:45:34 UTC

Why are you spergs upset about an EU army?

2019-09-15 10:45:55 UTC

Oh yeah right an EU army is such a great idea, lets have more centralized power instead of less

2019-09-15 10:45:56 UTC

idk, im just intrigued by how it works

2019-09-15 10:47:05 UTC

So what?

2019-09-15 10:47:13 UTC

It's not like Europeans are already having a hard time buying firearms legally, I'm sure an EU army will make it much more likely we'll be allowed to defend ourselves /s

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2019-09-15 10:47:44 UTC

A more powerful EU will allow them to exert pressure on Russia, stopping their expansion.

2019-09-15 10:47:54 UTC

I also love all this interventionism we've been seeing from the US, lets copy it

2019-09-15 10:48:01 UTC

More more more

2019-09-15 10:48:03 UTC

Oh, you’re just terrified of “muh government”

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2019-09-15 10:48:16 UTC

It's almost as if... I should be terrified of them

2019-09-15 10:48:19 UTC

the EU is more a fan of soft power but whatever

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2019-09-15 10:48:26 UTC

>Why not

2019-09-15 10:48:37 UTC

I need a reason to be <:think:604636148970553344>

2019-09-15 10:48:44 UTC

Everything is a reason

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