@kaolbrec the thing about star trek is its not comminism because there is still private propery

Yeah I remember that being mentioned in the Starship Troopers video

@kaolbrec not an in dept point lmao, elaborate and also i don't see `What are you left with after that point though? Everyone goes home and remembers to live in accordance with Communist tenets? No one misbehaves and starts being a secret capitalist?` as a strong point and is flawed bc communism is done by the proleteriat which makes up the majority of the people even rebelling, are you trying to say they don't even believe what they are fighting for? Also like most things society will decide what is right and wrong, so i guess anti-societal behaviour will be weeded out.

Communism would still fail without a hive mind

its not like a form of communism doesn't have some private property lmao

@xlD4NKlx and what if its a 51/49 split?

No, some make the effort at the illusion of private property

are the 51% going to opress the 49?

Everything is state property

sure but you are just giving out niche theoretical scenarios and also i guess the communists will have their own state and repel all the people who don't believe in their cause and also try to convince them @brett0007wastaken

right @randomNPCno3 well in america this is less so but sure, generally this is an inductive point

@xlD4NKlx I would say that the temptation to hoard resources after the "revolution" is going to be very strong. Does a Communist system want a central authority as a general rule, or does it prefer to say that each individual will simply self-police and live in accordance with the ideology? I don't actually know, I've not delved very far into it.

communism is stateless, with everyone in a primus inter pares style worker commities

well greediness imo is anti-society and would probably be again, weeded out as i said by society. I see it more as a anomally with a few greedy fucks doing this, and this is evident by a few of the elite holding the most money. Also im not communist and the communists themselves have many different propostions to solve these issues @kaolbrec

or at least in its classical form

Communism operates pretty similarly to a theocracy

Thanks for the answers, explains why I've seen so many Anarcho-Communists

im not anarcho communist BTW!! but i keep an open mind and can sorta empathise with them

Well, dumb enough to support one bad idea. Y not more?

@xlD4NKlx greed is an inherent part of being human, you cant weed it out any more than you can any other aspect of natural behavior

idk man it gets tiring responding all the time to stuff 💤

@xlD4NKlx not saying to you, just ancom in general

I didn't mean to imply you were, I've wondered in the past why they held those positions and I assumed they were incompatible, which it sounds like they are when considering Communism as we've seen it so far, but not when only considering theory.

okay well this is an axiom, and sure but as i said i see it more as an anomally and shouldn't be stated as normal human behaviour imo @brett0007wastaken

yeah yeah its fine dw lol

The shit about Plato's forms seems more and more relevant.

how so? and whilst ur typing it im gonna do some multi tasking

About an "ideal form" or "perfect version" of something which exists only in theory. In this case, Communism.

Technically ancom could work if you regress society back to small towns of maybe 100 people

@xlD4NKlx except geed fundamentally is, the asshole apeman on the savannah that can horde the most resorces is the one most lighly to survive, greed is an inherent positive trait an animal because survival above all else is the game

Possibly, you might also need to be very far away from any other towns.

That too

I wonder too how much the regulation of that kind of community owes to everyone believing in a higher power who'll judge them for their misdeeds.

Basically, too many people in the world for communism to be viable anymore

That's why it always ends in genocide

And a higher power is needed, that's why it seems to operate like a theocracy

State=church

@randomNPCno3 it ends in genocide because the autistic fuck in power rees at the fact that his perfect system in there head isnt working and because they are autistic they naturally blames everything under the sun but themselves

That too

It fails for allot of reasons

Not exactly a hard ideology to pick apart