I'm not an anarchist but having some knowledge of their theory is valuable as they are a major group at the moment

2 commies?

There's another?

https://youtu.be/hrPAagXeky0

Wait verst posted that

Yeh I'm stripping him of his communist card

I'll make sure you can't express against me well 😉 @Slkfd

Are you German @Slkfd

I'll help finish you

Your gay @A Random Crusader

I'm a lazy communist so neither do I @DanielKO

Oh hey franti

Fancy seeing you here

And 100% reason to remember the name

so

how deep is the exp system here

muslims dont genocide folks as policy

!agree

hello, fireweaver

Should i call myself der stasi in here too

lol

then again, i hear you give us communists the special snowflake tag

so, it wouldnt be out of place

@Deleted User

it will be fine, interesting to see a similiar server disapora between the 2 servers

its more for folks to recognise me from Der Server @franti

yeh, new members cant change names

Lel

I like the way ban notice go in general

Is this where you have been @Puma

Oh, that's pretty misleading then

Lol

So, why hasn't Sargon taken this server yet anyway, last I checked you guys literally donated money to him just for him to see you have this place ready for the chap

Hmmm a man who has close to a million subs doesn't expect tens of thousands of people

Dude in Der servers hay day kraut and the staff had to have eternal do not disturb because of the ping numbers we got

So I don't blame Sargon

Though it does mean i won't have much chance to argue with him

But then again there are thousands of folks who do

@Deleted User I like the way you guys have that recorded

And have that bookmarked somewhere

@Fitzydog they did, it was the hope of this place that it became sargons official community discord

Much Der server for kraut or burger for Krieg

To be fair there are a lot of plebes on his server ,

Though the best way to interact with Sargon is to tweet at him

Especially if you are a socialist

He really likes to talk to us

It was a game on parts of leftist discord to try to get Sargon to have a random argument with them@

I think that's how the debate between capitalists vs socialist stream happened, you had an anarchist , a tankie (a literal Stalinist apologist) and a pseudo leftcom debate Sargon, acadumbass agent and some insurance executive

All because of leftist twitter trolling

Pretty sure this server lacks an Nsfw (sadly)

I dunno we have a healthy Nsfw in Der server, we lock it behind being required to demonstrate that you are an active member

@Fitzydog I prefer flirting with delicious soi bois personally

How do you know I'm Irish

Who's bakeon

And I can't post images in this Chat but Der server always had a diverse community so sometimes an actually productive debate happened between rival political factions there instead of the usual shit flinging

Though I hadn't had a proper challenger against me in a long time

Though then again I tend to avoid debates with folks on discord unless I know for certain they are politically literate

Is he a literal ancap?

If they don't understand why private property requires a state they are either ignorant of liberal praxis or unaware of the implied violence required to make private property distinct from mere occupation

Private property rests on an objective standard , which is why it requires a monopoly of force to protect, all sorts of problems arrise when there are multiple valid authoritative entities all protecting private property in their own way

A communist paddy

@Fitzydog oh most of us communists expect it to turn into neo feudalism if it were actually attempted

Which would make us allies with liberals again just like we were against the previous feudal system

Funny times

With no laws against slavery , I would expect those in poverty to end up selling themselves into such condition "voluntarily"

The old social vs classical liberal split

How is it, the proposed slave owner didn't violently coerce them into slavery , they made a "mutually beneficial trade" otherwise the trade wouldn't have occurred t.ancap

True anarchists are an interesting bunch, ancaps aren't really anarchists because they literally have nothing to do with classical libertarian theory

Ancaps are ok with hierarchy, which is literally the one thing all anarchists agree is bad

(Though anarchists have their own definition of hierarchy that's different from the contemporary definition, which is how they can justify leaders)

Ask a social anarchist , I don't have any problems with hierarchy or a state (yes communism is stateless but a state to a communist means the apparatus for the ruling class to express their power, for all intents and purposes we still would have a state in the regular meaning of the term)

Well that @Puma I agree, but also hierarchy is super useful, a lot of political problems and complexities arrise if hierarchy is abolished

Anarchists have a lot of coherency problems

I haven't met an anarchist who explained to me how they will deal with a canton (the anarchist equivalent of territory/state) will deal with one that disagrees with them on fundamental issues like what is the nature of hierarch

They use communes and cantons @Puma to refer to regions

Under their comtrol

Yep, the Spanish civil war (mostly anarchists vs facists with communists helping anarchists) showed a state with an organised territory is superior to a group of effective guerrillas , the anarchists had no tanks or ability to produce them etc

No I'm a leftcom,

Mine? No one really, Lenin and the bolsheviks fucked up a lot i.e starting a revolution in a feudal society with a feudal mode of production before Russia had adopted industrial capitalism/had a Bourg revolution

Mao repeated this in china

Well they had to basically industrialise directly , especially to compete with the west, Lenin in part compensated for this by his NEP project

Which was essentiallly in his own words a state directed capitalism

To build Russian industry

Grain collectivisation was a big part of stalin reversing the NEP by Lenin

Well, Marxism fundamentally is the argument that capitalism is unsustainable, we support capitalism over feudalism,

And is the prediction that socialism would evolve out of capitalism

As the next economic stage, communists are the actual ideology

Leftcoms are very orthodox Marxists

We believe revolution will happen when it happens

I.e when capitalism literally falls under its own weight and contradictions

@Fitzydog that's a fiercely contested subject actually, even leftcoms are split on that

I don't actually discuss communism much with non leftists

Or even other leftists

@Puma I dunno if I can do those justice for you as they are primarily economic processes , and I'm not the most literate in Marxist theory

But stuff like the falling rate of profit, the contradiction between wages and profit, the unsustainable nature of the system requiring potentially infinite growth are a few worth mentioning

@Fitzydog we aren't really fixated on him, we are as "fixated" on him as are Austrians on Hayek , admittedly Marxism is badly named because most Marxist theory was produced long after marx died

Hell Marxism as a field was co founded with Engels , who almost no one outside of communists knows about

Capitalism is the result historical processes and material dialectics , correlating with class struggle

Well, that's a poor explanation for capitalism because feudalism is also predicated on scarcity , as was previous economic systems,