Message from @Farseer Selna Vesha

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2018-08-27 05:07:31 UTC  

Yeah, that ended up to a lot of people dying, from what I understand

2018-08-27 05:07:45 UTC  

egoist monarchy

2018-08-27 05:07:54 UTC  

Turns out suddenly taking all of your farmers and putting them in factories ends up with less food

2018-08-27 05:08:42 UTC  

Well they had to basically industrialise directly , especially to compete with the west, Lenin in part compensated for this by his NEP project

2018-08-27 05:09:01 UTC  

Which was essentiallly in his own words a state directed capitalism

2018-08-27 05:09:06 UTC  

Or in the case of Ukraine, as I understand it, rounding up all of the good farmers and throwing them into gulags for being too productive

2018-08-27 05:09:14 UTC  

To build Russian industry

2018-08-27 05:09:38 UTC  

I also like how he had gone from anarchism to having managers and a hiearchy in the factories

2018-08-27 05:10:01 UTC  

You also had awards for the most productive workers

2018-08-27 05:10:07 UTC  

Judging from where all of these revolutions happened, Marx was probably a more convincing critic of feudalism in the minds of many

2018-08-27 05:10:13 UTC  

Grain collectivisation was a big part of stalin reversing the NEP by Lenin

2018-08-27 05:10:50 UTC  

I honestly feel a lot better with people who think #LeninDinduNuffin than #StalinDinduNuffin

2018-08-27 05:11:19 UTC  

Well, Marxism fundamentally is the argument that capitalism is unsustainable, we support capitalism over feudalism,

2018-08-27 05:11:41 UTC  

where's our resident commie loving conservative?

2018-08-27 05:11:50 UTC  

And is the prediction that socialism would evolve out of capitalism

2018-08-27 05:12:09 UTC  

Well, in the aspect that “capitalism would eventually remove the necessity for its existence” then sure

2018-08-27 05:12:12 UTC  

As the next economic stage, communists are the actual ideology

2018-08-27 05:12:39 UTC  

Basically, if UBI happens we could end up with Luxury Gay Space Capitalism

2018-08-27 05:12:40 UTC  

gay luxury space communism

2018-08-27 05:12:44 UTC  

is the future

2018-08-27 05:12:45 UTC  

Leftcoms are very orthodox Marxists

2018-08-27 05:13:02 UTC  

We believe revolution will happen when it happens

2018-08-27 05:13:30 UTC  

I.e when capitalism literally falls under its own weight and contradictions

2018-08-27 05:13:35 UTC  

I’d imagine things would have to be a lot worse than they are now

2018-08-27 05:13:35 UTC  

Like the christians who believe the end times will happen when it happens

2018-08-27 05:13:54 UTC  

wow just like rapturefag christians

2018-08-27 05:14:00 UTC  

@Farseer Selna Vesha And who's going to enforce your vision on the others when that collapse does happen?

2018-08-27 05:14:00 UTC  

@franti “we’ll get to heat death eventually, and it will be god’s work”

2018-08-27 05:14:30 UTC  

And what contradictions are those? @Farseer Selna Vesha

2018-08-27 05:14:50 UTC  

@Fitzydog that's a fiercely contested subject actually, even leftcoms are split on that

2018-08-27 05:15:23 UTC  

@Farseer Selna Vesha do you ever talk about things other than Luxury Gay Space Communism?

2018-08-27 05:15:29 UTC  

@Farseer Selna Vesha Just remember: There are a lot of people with guns out there. *And they usually don't like communists.*

2018-08-27 05:15:41 UTC  

I don't actually discuss communism much with non leftists

2018-08-27 05:15:49 UTC  

Or even other leftists

2018-08-27 05:15:58 UTC  

because fulcrum says you're reasonable

2018-08-27 05:16:02 UTC  

Then can you catch me up on Capitalism’s contradictions?

2018-08-27 05:16:07 UTC  

*when you're not talking politics*

2018-08-27 05:16:47 UTC  

@Puma I dunno if I can do those justice for you as they are primarily economic processes , and I'm not the most literate in Marxist theory

2018-08-27 05:17:53 UTC  

i have a lot of guns, and i don't like communists

2018-08-27 05:18:07 UTC  

But stuff like the falling rate of profit, the contradiction between wages and profit, the unsustainable nature of the system requiring potentially infinite growth are a few worth mentioning

2018-08-27 05:18:11 UTC  

Well, I can’t really make an argument either. I am either galaxy brained enough, or naive enough, to think that Capitalism is more of a status quo built on after centuries of human social interaction and trading