Yeah, that ended up to a lot of people dying, from what I understand

egoist monarchy

Turns out suddenly taking all of your farmers and putting them in factories ends up with less food

Well they had to basically industrialise directly , especially to compete with the west, Lenin in part compensated for this by his NEP project

Which was essentiallly in his own words a state directed capitalism

Or in the case of Ukraine, as I understand it, rounding up all of the good farmers and throwing them into gulags for being too productive

To build Russian industry

I also like how he had gone from anarchism to having managers and a hiearchy in the factories

You also had awards for the most productive workers

Judging from where all of these revolutions happened, Marx was probably a more convincing critic of feudalism in the minds of many

Grain collectivisation was a big part of stalin reversing the NEP by Lenin

I honestly feel a lot better with people who think #LeninDinduNuffin than #StalinDinduNuffin

Well, Marxism fundamentally is the argument that capitalism is unsustainable, we support capitalism over feudalism,

where's our resident commie loving conservative?

And is the prediction that socialism would evolve out of capitalism

Well, in the aspect that “capitalism would eventually remove the necessity for its existence” then sure

As the next economic stage, communists are the actual ideology

Basically, if UBI happens we could end up with Luxury Gay Space Capitalism

gay luxury space communism

is the future

Leftcoms are very orthodox Marxists

We believe revolution will happen when it happens

I.e when capitalism literally falls under its own weight and contradictions

I’d imagine things would have to be a lot worse than they are now

Like the christians who believe the end times will happen when it happens

wow just like rapturefag christians

@Farseer Selna Vesha And who's going to enforce your vision on the others when that collapse does happen?

@franti “we’ll get to heat death eventually, and it will be god’s work”

And what contradictions are those? @Farseer Selna Vesha

@Fitzydog that's a fiercely contested subject actually, even leftcoms are split on that

@Farseer Selna Vesha do you ever talk about things other than Luxury Gay Space Communism?

@Farseer Selna Vesha Just remember: There are a lot of people with guns out there. *And they usually don't like communists.*

I don't actually discuss communism much with non leftists

Or even other leftists

because fulcrum says you're reasonable

Then can you catch me up on Capitalism’s contradictions?

*when you're not talking politics*

@Puma I dunno if I can do those justice for you as they are primarily economic processes , and I'm not the most literate in Marxist theory

i have a lot of guns, and i don't like communists

But stuff like the falling rate of profit, the contradiction between wages and profit, the unsustainable nature of the system requiring potentially infinite growth are a few worth mentioning

Well, I can’t really make an argument either. I am either galaxy brained enough, or naive enough, to think that Capitalism is more of a status quo built on after centuries of human social interaction and trading