@Deleted User with my surplus of wealth that i have gathered under wonderful capitalism, i have been eating eggs, spinach, bacon, and cheese for the last two weeks and i've already started losing weight

@Jek Porkins Hell yeah, sticking with that Keto diet

ya ya

@Fitzydog we aren't really fixated on him, we are as "fixated" on him as are Austrians on Hayek , admittedly Marxism is badly named because most Marxist theory was produced long after marx died

Capitalism is an emergent phenomenon from natural human interactions

Capitalism just sorta exists

Hell Marxism as a field was co founded with Engels , who almost no one outside of communists knows about

Nobody *really* knows why

Engels is a reason why you should never trust germany

@Jek Porkins you get a trucker discount or anything?

I think Ayn Rand had her finger on the pulse there.

selfish altruism or whatever

Capitalism is the result historical processes and material dialectics , correlating with class struggle

it isn't though

if you leave a closed system alone, it eventually defaults to capitalism

@franti mein memerreich idol is the best

Its a result of scarcity *existing*

everything always goes back to capitalism in the end

"Capitalism" is literally as old as human trade

by just existing people innovate and do things

Capitalism, in its current form, is very recent

Well, that's a poor explanation for capitalism because feudalism is also predicated on scarcity , as was previous economic systems,

and those were enforced by ruling classes

"scarcity" is also kind of a weird thing, that doesn't even exist (yet)

a peasant was ALWAYS a peasant

and so on

there was no vertical movement

Fuedalism is moreso power than anything else

Perhaps... Mercantlism?

Mercantilism is referred to as early capitalism in Marxism

Eh

I.e when capitalism was still bound to states

And state interest

And before mass industry

You mean.... state capitalism?

Yes and no,

Schrodinger’s State Capitalism

Lol

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Anyway, I have to sleep, and wait silently for a certain german’s autism to act up

The main distinction was divorcing capitalism from nation state policy , i.e the actions of capital were no longer subservient to national or imperial interests

@Puma who's?