Message from @Farseer Selna Vesha

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2018-08-27 05:04:36 UTC  

Yep, the Spanish civil war (mostly anarchists vs facists with communists helping anarchists) showed a state with an organised territory is superior to a group of effective guerrillas , the anarchists had no tanks or ability to produce them etc

2018-08-27 05:04:46 UTC  

No I'm a leftcom,

2018-08-27 05:05:06 UTC  

So, what is the closest that anyone has come to creating your ideal state?

2018-08-27 05:05:50 UTC  

@Farseer Selna Vesha Their first problem was going to war

2018-08-27 05:06:03 UTC  

That was probably inevitable

2018-08-27 05:06:08 UTC  

@Farseer Selna Vesha I think I got something for you

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2018-08-27 05:06:08 UTC  

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2018-08-27 05:06:08 UTC  

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2018-08-27 05:06:09 UTC  

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2018-08-27 05:06:09 UTC  

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2018-08-27 05:06:15 UTC  

Seeing as fascist states don’t like dissnt

2018-08-27 05:06:25 UTC  

we need a libertarian fascist state

2018-08-27 05:06:40 UTC  

@franti oh god, not the memereich

2018-08-27 05:06:52 UTC  

@Mickey D Anarcho-Monarchy now!

2018-08-27 05:06:54 UTC  

Mine? No one really, Lenin and the bolsheviks fucked up a lot i.e starting a revolution in a feudal society with a feudal mode of production before Russia had adopted industrial capitalism/had a Bourg revolution

2018-08-27 05:07:23 UTC  

Mao repeated this in china

2018-08-27 05:07:31 UTC  

Yeah, that ended up to a lot of people dying, from what I understand

2018-08-27 05:07:45 UTC  

egoist monarchy

2018-08-27 05:07:54 UTC  

Turns out suddenly taking all of your farmers and putting them in factories ends up with less food

2018-08-27 05:08:42 UTC  

Well they had to basically industrialise directly , especially to compete with the west, Lenin in part compensated for this by his NEP project

2018-08-27 05:09:01 UTC  

Which was essentiallly in his own words a state directed capitalism

2018-08-27 05:09:06 UTC  

Or in the case of Ukraine, as I understand it, rounding up all of the good farmers and throwing them into gulags for being too productive

2018-08-27 05:09:14 UTC  

To build Russian industry

2018-08-27 05:09:38 UTC  

I also like how he had gone from anarchism to having managers and a hiearchy in the factories

2018-08-27 05:10:01 UTC  

You also had awards for the most productive workers

2018-08-27 05:10:07 UTC  

Judging from where all of these revolutions happened, Marx was probably a more convincing critic of feudalism in the minds of many

2018-08-27 05:10:13 UTC  

Grain collectivisation was a big part of stalin reversing the NEP by Lenin

2018-08-27 05:10:50 UTC  

I honestly feel a lot better with people who think #LeninDinduNuffin than #StalinDinduNuffin

2018-08-27 05:11:19 UTC  

Well, Marxism fundamentally is the argument that capitalism is unsustainable, we support capitalism over feudalism,

2018-08-27 05:11:41 UTC  

where's our resident commie loving conservative?

2018-08-27 05:11:50 UTC  

And is the prediction that socialism would evolve out of capitalism

2018-08-27 05:12:09 UTC  

Well, in the aspect that “capitalism would eventually remove the necessity for its existence” then sure

2018-08-27 05:12:12 UTC  

As the next economic stage, communists are the actual ideology

2018-08-27 05:12:39 UTC  

Basically, if UBI happens we could end up with Luxury Gay Space Capitalism

2018-08-27 05:12:40 UTC  

gay luxury space communism

2018-08-27 05:12:44 UTC  

is the future

2018-08-27 05:12:45 UTC  

Leftcoms are very orthodox Marxists

2018-08-27 05:13:02 UTC  

We believe revolution will happen when it happens

2018-08-27 05:13:30 UTC  

I.e when capitalism literally falls under its own weight and contradictions

2018-08-27 05:13:35 UTC  

I’d imagine things would have to be a lot worse than they are now

2018-08-27 05:13:35 UTC  

Like the christians who believe the end times will happen when it happens