Message from @Farseer Selna Vesha

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2018-08-27 04:57:46 UTC  

Ask a social anarchist , I don't have any problems with hierarchy or a state (yes communism is stateless but a state to a communist means the apparatus for the ruling class to express their power, for all intents and purposes we still would have a state in the regular meaning of the term)

2018-08-27 04:58:29 UTC  

Hierarchy’s are an inevitable part of us not all being clones of a flawless human

2018-08-27 04:58:35 UTC  

@Farseer Selna Vesha AnCaps would agree with that. To them 'Anarchy' mean 'Without state'

2018-08-27 04:59:01 UTC  

AnCaps forget, however, that the corporations would essentially become the state

2018-08-27 04:59:16 UTC  

All anarchy is, is youthful screeching, they can't answer your questions

2018-08-27 04:59:23 UTC  

@Puma If you'd have been paying attention, I already stated that further up

2018-08-27 04:59:33 UTC  

Yup

2018-08-27 04:59:34 UTC  

Well that @Puma I agree, but also hierarchy is super useful, a lot of political problems and complexities arrise if hierarchy is abolished

2018-08-27 04:59:52 UTC  

That and some people are just good at leading

2018-08-27 05:00:00 UTC  

Anarchists have a lot of coherency problems

2018-08-27 05:00:32 UTC  

@Farseer Selna Vesha We can go the JBP route and say hierarchy is part of the huamn experience an ingraned into us

2018-08-27 05:00:42 UTC  

@Farseer Selna Vesha lol have you seen AnCap memes? They're usually just a wall of text.

2018-08-27 05:01:19 UTC  

Also, any Anarchist “State” (I use state as means of describing an area that is under anarchism) can easily be steamrolled by any state with a coherent plan

2018-08-27 05:01:37 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372507611284766722/483501320654028800/Screenshot_312.png

2018-08-27 05:01:39 UTC  

@Puma Ahh, but why would you want to?

2018-08-27 05:01:39 UTC  

I haven't met an anarchist who explained to me how they will deal with a canton (the anarchist equivalent of territory/state) will deal with one that disagrees with them on fundamental issues like what is the nature of hierarch

2018-08-27 05:02:02 UTC  

Because, only I should have recreational nukes

2018-08-27 05:02:11 UTC  

Stop opressing me you damn commie

2018-08-27 05:02:14 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372507611284766722/483501475004153857/recreational_nukes.jpg

2018-08-27 05:02:27 UTC  

They use communes and cantons @Puma to refer to regions

2018-08-27 05:02:31 UTC  

Under their comtrol

2018-08-27 05:02:37 UTC  

That works

2018-08-27 05:02:45 UTC  

But yeah

2018-08-27 05:03:02 UTC  

Any commune would get streamrolled by a coherent force

2018-08-27 05:03:22 UTC  

@Farseer Selna Vesha Where people see anarchy they also see an oportunity to subjugate

2018-08-27 05:03:42 UTC  

See *the result of most anarchy*

2018-08-27 05:03:54 UTC  

See the Paris commune

2018-08-27 05:04:00 UTC  

Catalonia

2018-08-27 05:04:09 UTC  

Weimar Germany, perhaps

2018-08-27 05:04:15 UTC  

Free theritory

2018-08-27 05:04:35 UTC  

@Farseer Selna Vesha please tell me that you aren’t a Tankie

2018-08-27 05:04:36 UTC  

Yep, the Spanish civil war (mostly anarchists vs facists with communists helping anarchists) showed a state with an organised territory is superior to a group of effective guerrillas , the anarchists had no tanks or ability to produce them etc

2018-08-27 05:04:46 UTC  

No I'm a leftcom,

2018-08-27 05:05:06 UTC  

So, what is the closest that anyone has come to creating your ideal state?

2018-08-27 05:05:50 UTC  

@Farseer Selna Vesha Their first problem was going to war

2018-08-27 05:06:03 UTC  

That was probably inevitable

2018-08-27 05:06:08 UTC  

@Farseer Selna Vesha I think I got something for you

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2018-08-27 05:06:08 UTC  

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2018-08-27 05:06:08 UTC  

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2018-08-27 05:06:09 UTC  

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2018-08-27 05:06:09 UTC  

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