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2017-05-02 21:06:24 UTC

suhh

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Sup

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henlo

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Ayy

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Hello

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Whats going on

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You can always speak english in international.

2017-05-03 12:56:18 UTC

But other languages also fine

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Wassup

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@y33t (romania) Welcome to this channel

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Ye

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Feel like home

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Ideology?

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This is of mixed ideology. But with theoretical studies.

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Every ideology can have its own text/voice

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I'm personally M-L

2017-05-09 10:50:44 UTC

You know I disagree. Syndicalists have to be put aside too. They are the reason we do not have an international. Syndicalism.

2017-05-09 10:51:06 UTC
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but cnt fai was dank

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a bit at least

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@Garlic the Soviet They are definitely been nice people. But no theory equals death from the very beginning.

2017-05-09 11:03:22 UTC

so many red flags, wow

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Syndicalism and anarcho-communism should both be put aside

2017-05-09 13:38:52 UTC

@Firefly If the USSR was as horrible as the capitalists claim it was, would it really be this popular and revered by the population that inhabitated it?

2017-05-09 14:46:34 UTC

Anarcho-communism is the shit

2017-05-09 14:47:03 UTC

Preach!

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Lel

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I'm a cmmuno-primitivist

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not joking

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*communo-primitivist

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\

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Is that a thing

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I thought it was just anarcho-primitivists

2017-05-09 14:48:43 UTC

It's essentially anarcho-primitivism, minus the ownership.

2017-05-09 14:49:29 UTC

So in other words, the Paleolithic Era.

2017-05-09 15:06:11 UTC

Stalinism is best

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Anarcho-Stalinism > all

2017-05-09 21:51:27 UTC

Well, we should criticize each failed theory one by one. Let it go down first and we start with another one. Anarchy is strong in younger generation due to idealism. Hard to fight. But we can start with syndicalists first, yes?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/311621215670239232/YitEoRN.jpg

2017-05-09 21:53:05 UTC

anarchists are still better than other lefties and pseudo leftists, and there will always be people who are wrong at something. Anarchism was already criticized hard enough and i doubt we will do anything new about

2017-05-09 21:53:48 UTC

makhnovshina and CNT-FAI pretty much prove that theory of anarchism is wrong

2017-05-09 21:53:51 UTC

I agree. At least they are sincere people.

2017-05-09 21:54:18 UTC

Syndicalists start to monkey-out even when they are totally wrong.

2017-05-09 21:54:56 UTC

Anarchist tend to change their ideas according to experience and what was learned by them.

2017-05-09 21:54:57 UTC

anarchists are very different. I have seen an anarchist who seriously claimed that his main enemies are "tankies", and then i saw an anarchist who defended DPRK

2017-05-09 21:55:49 UTC

tbh if we ally with anarchists in case of revolution and they just make a CNT-FAI #2 that will be better than not allying with them

2017-05-09 21:58:03 UTC

@Garlic the Soviet More organized will reap the benefits of the unorganized movement. What is the reason to prevent this? There is none.

2017-05-09 22:30:03 UTC

you cant prevent some people to have wrong opinion about something

2017-05-09 22:32:53 UTC

@Garlic the Soviet It depends if they are educatable or not really.

2017-05-09 22:33:13 UTC

who argues

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there is just enough criticism of anarchism to me

2017-05-09 22:33:58 UTC

its not a problem to show this material to anarchist

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if he is educatable he will convert to marxist hopefully

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if not then not

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Some need a little push. Some need a little time. Some need a little guidance.

2017-05-09 22:35:43 UTC

It is not automatic

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Even with educatables.

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these videos are just pure concentrated criticism of anarchism

2017-05-09 22:37:00 UTC

finbol made a brilliant job

2017-05-09 22:39:10 UTC

@Garlic the Soviet I personally had to learn very long time before starting to understand things. Most anarchist are too young to have learn theory for 15 years. Some of them are 15 y o.

2017-05-09 22:39:33 UTC

these videos are easier than books

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which is why i am showing them

2017-05-09 22:39:55 UTC

finnishboleshevik is cool

2017-05-09 22:40:16 UTC

he is Stalin reincarnated

2017-05-09 22:40:26 UTC

he sorta converted me

2017-05-09 22:40:54 UTC

theres another really cool marxist-leninist youtuber

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ill link

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there are

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eastern marxist

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i was one of the first subs

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this video is really informative

2017-05-09 22:41:46 UTC

his blog site is even better than his videos

2017-05-09 22:42:08 UTC

i got there late and i guess he got hacked and his videos were deleted

2017-05-09 22:42:11 UTC

@Garlic the Soviet no videos should replace the study of classics. But videos can be a nice introduction to classics.

2017-05-09 22:42:32 UTC

all of the classics ive read where inspired by videos

2017-05-09 22:43:11 UTC

believe it or not, 8 months ago he was an ancap

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and his first videos were responses to mr dapperton

2017-05-09 22:43:27 UTC

wow that's almost unbelieveable

2017-05-09 22:43:32 UTC

he literally converted from ancap to mutualist to marxist for 2 weeks

2017-05-09 22:43:50 UTC

he reads literature like vacuum cleaner

2017-05-09 22:44:19 UTC

im trying to convert my ancap friend to mutualist but he's getting kind of pinochet reactionary

2017-05-09 22:44:36 UTC

red vanguard radio is a channel with several marxists including finbol and eastmarxist talking to each other

2017-05-09 22:44:39 UTC

this is epic win

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hell ya

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>ancap

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>supporting pinochet

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kill it with fire

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Is there an invite?

2017-05-09 22:45:16 UTC

he's coming more and more authoritarian

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>red vanguard radio

2017-05-09 22:45:32 UTC

what invite

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> is a channel

2017-05-09 22:46:17 UTC

what is M3W

2017-05-09 22:46:48 UTC

have you ever heard of jason unruhe

2017-05-09 22:46:51 UTC

i don't really like Xexixy honestly

2017-05-09 22:47:00 UTC

yeah

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xexizy is shit

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unruhe is a meme

2017-05-09 22:47:16 UTC

*he's not in here is he*

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unruhe is perfect compared to xexizy

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and his old videos were great

2017-05-09 22:47:52 UTC

xexizy has said some shit about unruhe

2017-05-09 22:47:55 UTC

@Garlic the Soviet when he was starting I forced him on Russian web.

2017-05-09 22:48:06 UTC

xexizy is pathetic trot

2017-05-09 22:48:13 UTC

But that was long time ago ^___^

2017-05-09 22:48:16 UTC

he made an awful video

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about "succesful socialism"

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he put 1956 hungary upraisings

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@Firefly unruhe or xexizy?

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as an example of socialism

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oh yeah i seen that

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@petit bourgeois Maoist Rebel News

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but he didnt put 1919 soviet Hungary as an example of socialism

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nicenice

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he didnt even put USSR or Mao's china

2017-05-09 22:48:55 UTC

ikr

2017-05-09 22:48:57 UTC

he is an absolute idiot

2017-05-09 22:49:05 UTC

he called the USSR a mistake

2017-05-09 22:49:17 UTC

Back in a day Maoist Rebel was something unseen

2017-05-09 22:49:23 UTC

he is one of those autists who keep repeating that real socialism never existed

2017-05-09 22:49:25 UTC

Now everyone is like him

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but to a degree jason does too

2017-05-09 22:49:35 UTC

yeah he's like a pop figure now for maoism

2017-05-09 22:49:52 UTC

i find him kinda cringy but he's a good theorist

2017-05-09 22:50:32 UTC

i never understood why people think he is a meme, his videos are good and when he made a couple of angry videos he was pissed off by idiots

2017-05-09 22:50:39 UTC

i like the video where he got drunk and started ranting about the haters on his videos

2017-05-09 22:50:41 UTC

What is the other one you are talking about?

2017-05-09 22:50:52 UTC

i think its mostly trots who are completely the opposite from third worldism

2017-05-09 22:51:14 UTC

a lot of left communists don't really understand third worldism

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i feel like

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what left communism even is

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is like luxemburgism, trotskyism, de leonism, concil communism etc

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anarchism

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not really marxist

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*but thats a controversial statement*

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On the west

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Never seen a controversy on this topic in Russia

2017-05-09 22:53:22 UTC

is communism even big in russia?

2017-05-09 22:53:37 UTC

relatively to what

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idk to like other western countries

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@petit bourgeois Like in China?

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>western countries

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for example

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idk my dude i just want to know the prevelance of socialism in russia rn

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@petit bourgeois Communism in Russia is bigger than in Luxemburg

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i live in america so its pretty barren from where i am

2017-05-09 22:55:39 UTC

@petit bourgeois Did you read Proriv?

2017-05-09 22:55:44 UTC

IMHO communism is quite popular in Russia, but we have a tonn of revisionist organizations and simply just some abstract patriotic that exploit soviet symbolics

2017-05-09 22:55:45 UTC

nuh uh

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and these catch a lot of people

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with pro-communist opinion

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/311637494372499456/3LlAVBKFjr0.jpg

2017-05-09 22:56:10 UTC

you mean like the nazbols

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yeah

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but its just one example

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we have shit like

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essence of time

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where the leader says that marxism was wrong about class struggle and we need to mix it with christianity

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aaaaaaa

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and its considered socialist organization

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somewhat

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A LOT of patriotic people who are good opinion of the USSR enter organizations like this

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and it has a terrible effect

2017-05-09 22:57:15 UTC

@petit bourgeois You need to learn from the biggest and oldest and most active world communists. http://4pv.livejournal.com/11599.html

2017-05-09 22:57:24 UTC

danke

2017-05-09 22:58:01 UTC

im actually pretty in the dark about that

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not to mention that CPRF is pure revisionist cancer that only exists to support the ruling party

2017-05-09 22:58:30 UTC

yeah they're hard to come by

2017-05-09 22:58:38 UTC

the CPUSA supported hillary

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yet they say they're marxist leninist

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CPRF is amazingly similar to CPUSA

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in that regard

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oh shit

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zuganov said shit like lenin was extremist and we dont need to do revolution in Russia just because we are patriots

2017-05-09 22:59:23 UTC

Who cares about dead party bodies?

2017-05-09 22:59:24 UTC

to quote lenin "social chauvinists"

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Why not learn from alive one?

2017-05-09 22:59:41 UTC

that dead party body takes like the third position in elections

2017-05-09 23:00:11 UTC

i had a luxury to vote for rotfront party in Leningrad oblast, its the only region where it managed to get to local election

2017-05-09 23:00:21 UTC

which seems to be anti-revisionist

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it still got like 1%

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but i didnt expect anything anyway

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@Garlic the Soviet But Tylkin published a video where he says they won't participate in elections due to lack of activity in the party

2017-05-09 23:02:11 UTC

in which elections

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Who knows. I've seen it like 2 month ago

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Maybe current

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may be

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it was still the best party to vote

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i probably wouldnt even vote if there wasnt this party or something similar

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@Garlic the Soviet The whole tactic of RKRP is a failed tactic

2017-05-09 23:04:00 UTC

may be it was

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Economism, Hvostism

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Elections

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Broad coalition

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That is why everybody run away from this party

2017-05-09 23:05:17 UTC

what's your guys' opinions on MΓ©lenchon

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who is that

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french socialist candidate

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if he is socialdemocrat like bernie then fuck him

2017-05-09 23:06:09 UTC

i think that electing socialist candidates are good for short term

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but the real shit is in the revolution

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its not good for anything

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the only thing you do by supporting socdems is fooling people

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but socialism would open up peoples minds for more change i guess

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reducing their rev potential

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or it could just make them even more deluded lol

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it would not

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look at Sweden

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@petit bourgeois I think the reason why revisionists are getting elected is because of the absence of the Party.

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the socdem party

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it doesnt open up anything

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its just fooling people

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Socdem is just a pacified Fascist.

2017-05-09 23:07:43 UTC

bernie would have decimated socialist popularity i feel

2017-05-09 23:07:51 UTC

the whole reformism thing should be abandoned

2017-05-09 23:08:05 UTC

bernie would literally do the same thing as trump or hillary would

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he is just a clown

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an actor

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It makes sense though since here in the US, politics literally becomes a lobbied reality TV show.

2017-05-10 20:11:46 UTC

its like that for a lot of countries too

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look at france

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Give me ideas on emojis

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And meme magic

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2017-05-12 21:40:27 UTC

Shared this video on the separatists channel

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what is separatists channel

2017-05-12 21:42:07 UTC

No

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Its a new leftypol that is broke up with the other leftypol

2017-05-12 21:42:42 UTC

They are the separatist abomination

2017-05-12 21:42:56 UTC

Im looking for a link

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