Right now, I don't think it's the same thing as it was in 2010.

It's pretty close honestly

How do you know?

The government is insanely corrupt which doesn't help things but that's about it

Do you have any figures from 2017?

Food industry is the only one after 2010, and according to this it was only a promise

(The pictures are in the wrong order, bottom one should be on top)

And again if you do some research the vast majority of people agree that oil market fluctuations and not socialism are responsible for Venezuelas crisis

I mean, socialism sure didn't make it any better, the fact that all of chavez' social programs relied on oil for funding amplified the effects of the crash

But there's hardly anything to suggest that Venezuela would be peachy if it Chavez weren't in the picture

Nothing is peachy, but the socialist government has a lot of blame to take for choking out the economy and causing hyperinflation

*the government has a lot to blame

The fact that they're called socialist is irrelevant

Why wouldn't they be called socialists?

Well first of all I can list a million reasons why they aren't socialists

And just because they call themselves socialist doesn't make them socialist

They even adhere to principles of marxism-leninism, and their policies are socialist policies.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-there-is-no-communism-in-russia

Marxism Leninism isn't socialism

There ya go

It's not merely marxism-leninism, they're officially a socialist party.

By name

Exclusively by name

By practice they're nothing but corrupt oligarchs

I can agree with that, but I think all socialist governments are like that.

Socialism is democratic, socialism is communal, socialism is not a dictatorial government doing whatever they want with the economy

Well yeah because every socialist government based itself on Russia's model

With one exception that I know of which is revolutionary Catalonia

But that was overrun by fascists in the Spanish civil war so

I agree with that but so what's your idea of socialism and having a socialist government?

I, along with anyone who's not some sort of Stalin apologist, would probably support a purely democratic government and an economy that is truly owned and operated by the workers

And how would it be owned and operated by workers?

Well one was is Syndicalism, it's like a republic flipped upside down

Representatives don't represent, they take orders

Way is*

And your business or whatever you call it would operate itself, send a representative to a local trade union, which would coordinate the economy on a local level, which would then send a representative to the syndicate to organize the economy on an even larger scale, which would then send a representative to the Bourse du Travail which consists of syndicates working together on the basis of mutual consent

So your union would represent something like a small town, your Syndicate would operate something like a state, and the bourse du travail would operate the nation, only instead of the national level having the final say/authority it's the people

Something like this