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the CAPITALIST oil MARKET
oooh scary
Point is Venezuela isn't doing bad because of socialism they're doing bad because of the instability of global capitalism
And to debunk your statement that socialism only works when forced, the CNT FAI in Catalonia were borderline anarchist and were still able to implement socialism, without killing or oppressing or forcing people, and they did so even better than the countries that did force socialism.
And @Shalton#3556 the soviets were about as traitorous as they get, they turned a corrupt oligopoly into a corrupt monopoly with the name "republic" slapped on it
Failed capitalism isn't socialism
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I mean come on, even Fox News admitted that Venezuela's economy was still dominated by capitalist markets.
And I mean, even if you try to argue that the less than 30% of the market that was nationalized made it socialist, I have an essay to pull up that explains why nationalization is not socialistic in the least bit
Written in the 1930s by an anti soviet socialist
Venezuela isn't "failed capitalism", it's had adopted socialist policies since Chavez. And the oil industry isn't the only sector they nationalized, food distribution itself is controlled by the government, and that hasn't worked out at all, the government can't even feed it's own people with rations, and people can't even buy toilet paper because the factories are occupied. It's not a real democracy nor is it really market capitalism if the government is controlling most aspects of economic life for Venezuelans.
Here ya go
It did just fine until the oil market crashed
And 70% of the economy is privately owned
The government relied on revenue from the nationalized oil industry to fund itself
It worked amazingly until of course the oil market crashed
The CAPITALIST oil MARKET
Food shortages were prevelant well before the oil market crash.
The government was drowning in money before 2014
And then oil prices dropped by 70 some percent
And oil of course was a massive part of venezuelas economy and the largest source of government income
I dare you to find an article on Venezuela being in crisis before 2013/14
If you find one, read the essay I sent above, if not, my point has been proven
The government might've been drowning in money, it's hard to find a socialist government that doesn't have a rich government. That doesn't mean that regular people have money, or are living comfortably, Venezuelans have had problems since Chavez.
It's been in a food shortage crisis since 2010.
They're not socialist tho
70% of their economy is privately owned
Where do you get that figure?
Fox fucking News
Your lord and savior
I don't really take a news source from so-called experts seriously, I only look at actual citations from studies or analysis.
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Take the damn source
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You don't wanna know how many times I've gotten into debates where the whole thing boils down to whose sources are better
Trust me I prefer raw data but so many conservatives worship Fox News that I was elated when I found their article on how much of the Venezuelan economy was privately owned
Well I never read that, you should show me.