Message from @ᚾᚨᚦᚨᚾ

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2017-06-13 22:14:02 UTC  

It worked amazingly until of course the oil market crashed

2017-06-13 22:14:08 UTC  

The CAPITALIST oil MARKET

2017-06-13 22:14:11 UTC  

Food shortages were prevelant well before the oil market crash.

2017-06-13 22:14:21 UTC  

they were being solved quite quickly

2017-06-13 22:14:31 UTC  

The government was drowning in money before 2014

2017-06-13 22:14:45 UTC  

And then oil prices dropped by 70 some percent

2017-06-13 22:15:04 UTC  

And oil of course was a massive part of venezuelas economy and the largest source of government income

2017-06-13 22:15:48 UTC  

I dare you to find an article on Venezuela being in crisis before 2013/14

2017-06-13 22:16:09 UTC  

If you find one, read the essay I sent above, if not, my point has been proven

2017-06-13 22:16:34 UTC  

The government might've been drowning in money, it's hard to find a socialist government that doesn't have a rich government. That doesn't mean that regular people have money, or are living comfortably, Venezuelans have had problems since Chavez.

2017-06-13 22:16:45 UTC  

It's been in a food shortage crisis since 2010.

2017-06-13 22:16:46 UTC  

They're not socialist tho

2017-06-13 22:16:53 UTC  

70% of their economy is privately owned

2017-06-13 22:16:59 UTC  

Where do you get that figure?

2017-06-13 22:17:06 UTC  

Fox fucking News

2017-06-13 22:17:15 UTC  

Your lord and savior

2017-06-13 22:17:54 UTC  

I don't really take a news source from so-called experts seriously, I only look at actual citations from studies or analysis.

2017-06-13 22:18:05 UTC  

:/

2017-06-13 22:18:09 UTC  

Take the damn source

2017-06-13 22:18:13 UTC  

l0l0l

2017-06-13 22:18:30 UTC  

You don't wanna know how many times I've gotten into debates where the whole thing boils down to whose sources are better

2017-06-13 22:19:23 UTC  

Trust me I prefer raw data but so many conservatives worship Fox News that I was elated when I found their article on how much of the Venezuelan economy was privately owned

2017-06-13 22:19:44 UTC  

Well I never read that, you should show me.

2017-06-13 22:21:03 UTC  

"Yet creating a socialist economy is one of Chavez's most elusive goals — a stark example of the disconnect between the president's rhetoric and the reality on the ground. In fact, the private sector still controls two-thirds of Venezuela's economy — the same as when Chavez was elected in 1998"

2017-06-13 22:21:18 UTC  

This is from 7 years ago.

2017-06-13 22:21:33 UTC  

Look up their nationalizations since then

2017-06-13 22:21:37 UTC  

It's hardly anything

2017-06-13 22:22:00 UTC  

The largest "socialist" policies were implemented immediately before this article was written

2017-06-13 22:22:23 UTC  

Food distribution was nationalized after 2010, and so were many more industries.

2017-06-13 22:22:42 UTC  

Right now, I don't think it's the same thing as it was in 2010.

2017-06-13 22:22:53 UTC  

It's pretty close honestly

2017-06-13 22:23:03 UTC  

How do you know?

2017-06-13 22:23:06 UTC  

The government is insanely corrupt which doesn't help things but that's about it

2017-06-13 22:23:08 UTC  

Do you have any figures from 2017?

2017-06-13 22:24:12 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/324313033067331585/image.png

2017-06-13 22:24:16 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/324313050289143820/image.png

2017-06-13 22:24:43 UTC  

Food industry is the only one after 2010, and according to this it was only a promise

2017-06-13 22:26:27 UTC  

(The pictures are in the wrong order, bottom one should be on top)

2017-06-13 22:29:06 UTC  

And again if you do some research the vast majority of people agree that oil market fluctuations and not socialism are responsible for Venezuelas crisis

2017-06-13 22:29:41 UTC  

I mean, socialism sure didn't make it any better, the fact that all of chavez' social programs relied on oil for funding amplified the effects of the crash