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Trust me I prefer raw data but so many conservatives worship Fox News that I was elated when I found their article on how much of the Venezuelan economy was privately owned
Well I never read that, you should show me.
"Yet creating a socialist economy is one of Chavez's most elusive goals — a stark example of the disconnect between the president's rhetoric and the reality on the ground. In fact, the private sector still controls two-thirds of Venezuela's economy — the same as when Chavez was elected in 1998"
This is from 7 years ago.
Look up their nationalizations since then
It's hardly anything
The largest "socialist" policies were implemented immediately before this article was written
Food distribution was nationalized after 2010, and so were many more industries.
Right now, I don't think it's the same thing as it was in 2010.
It's pretty close honestly
How do you know?
The government is insanely corrupt which doesn't help things but that's about it
Do you have any figures from 2017?
Food industry is the only one after 2010, and according to this it was only a promise
(The pictures are in the wrong order, bottom one should be on top)
And again if you do some research the vast majority of people agree that oil market fluctuations and not socialism are responsible for Venezuelas crisis
I mean, socialism sure didn't make it any better, the fact that all of chavez' social programs relied on oil for funding amplified the effects of the crash
But there's hardly anything to suggest that Venezuela would be peachy if it Chavez weren't in the picture
Nothing is peachy, but the socialist government has a lot of blame to take for choking out the economy and causing hyperinflation
*the government has a lot to blame
The fact that they're called socialist is irrelevant
Why wouldn't they be called socialists?
Well first of all I can list a million reasons why they aren't socialists
And just because they call themselves socialist doesn't make them socialist
They even adhere to principles of marxism-leninism, and their policies are socialist policies.
Marxism Leninism isn't socialism
There ya go
It's not merely marxism-leninism, they're officially a socialist party.
By name
Exclusively by name
By practice they're nothing but corrupt oligarchs
I can agree with that, but I think all socialist governments are like that.
Socialism is democratic, socialism is communal, socialism is not a dictatorial government doing whatever they want with the economy
Well yeah because every socialist government based itself on Russia's model
With one exception that I know of which is revolutionary Catalonia
But that was overrun by fascists in the Spanish civil war so
I agree with that but so what's your idea of socialism and having a socialist government?