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Take the damn source

l0l0l

You don't wanna know how many times I've gotten into debates where the whole thing boils down to whose sources are better

Trust me I prefer raw data but so many conservatives worship Fox News that I was elated when I found their article on how much of the Venezuelan economy was privately owned

Well I never read that, you should show me.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/18/socialism-private-sector-dominates-venezuelan-economy-despite-chavez-crusade.html

"Yet creating a socialist economy is one of Chavez's most elusive goals — a stark example of the disconnect between the president's rhetoric and the reality on the ground. In fact, the private sector still controls two-thirds of Venezuela's economy — the same as when Chavez was elected in 1998"

This is from 7 years ago.

Look up their nationalizations since then

It's hardly anything

The largest "socialist" policies were implemented immediately before this article was written

Food distribution was nationalized after 2010, and so were many more industries.

Right now, I don't think it's the same thing as it was in 2010.

It's pretty close honestly

How do you know?

The government is insanely corrupt which doesn't help things but that's about it

Do you have any figures from 2017?

Food industry is the only one after 2010, and according to this it was only a promise

(The pictures are in the wrong order, bottom one should be on top)

And again if you do some research the vast majority of people agree that oil market fluctuations and not socialism are responsible for Venezuelas crisis

I mean, socialism sure didn't make it any better, the fact that all of chavez' social programs relied on oil for funding amplified the effects of the crash

But there's hardly anything to suggest that Venezuela would be peachy if it Chavez weren't in the picture

Nothing is peachy, but the socialist government has a lot of blame to take for choking out the economy and causing hyperinflation

*the government has a lot to blame

The fact that they're called socialist is irrelevant

Why wouldn't they be called socialists?

Well first of all I can list a million reasons why they aren't socialists

And just because they call themselves socialist doesn't make them socialist

They even adhere to principles of marxism-leninism, and their policies are socialist policies.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-there-is-no-communism-in-russia

Marxism Leninism isn't socialism

There ya go

It's not merely marxism-leninism, they're officially a socialist party.

By name

Exclusively by name

By practice they're nothing but corrupt oligarchs

I can agree with that, but I think all socialist governments are like that.

Socialism is democratic, socialism is communal, socialism is not a dictatorial government doing whatever they want with the economy