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since defending honor by definition means you are ready to assume death
Only one Nester
not to make a calculation whether defending honor is worthy the risk
sheeeit
this was nester's impostor
He was "Naster" and didn't have my avatar
nvm
intention to deceive was evident
where is profagonist
where is vry_o
where is spaceplacentra
They quit the server
why
They quit and come back.
They'll probably come back later.
They don't like it here too much.
wild is trying to recruit me
If you'd like me to relay any messages to them, profag and vryo and spaceplacenta, I can, @The Enlightened Shepherd
I have them in friends list
immortality is dalit
gil o teen you are typing sth for the last 20 minutes
@stankpรผs#3835 don't need to go full single orthodox monotheism, just need to do something to prevent infighting. like, all share the same pantheon, all connected by blood, we can have different views but must no longer kill each other... only friendly competition. also i think more focus on a creator god of somekind that we can all tap into would make it more effective. from my small amount of research into paganism it seems like creation was just a random thing that happened and that the pantheon are separate from that.
are you writting a master thesis on growing organic tomatoes
yeah paganism is sort of a cosmogony
@The Enlightened Shepherd hah i need practice with statement confidence. especially since stopped drinking it's hard not to obsess and edit
i write with complete illiteracy here
and blame it on my crappy keyboard
yes i just have to plop it out and not think about it much but it's a challenge
or start drinking again
well paganist attitudes were generally this: we don't care what individuals believe, as long as they respect customs and sacred places/stuff.
That's amicable towards a community that isn't ripping itself apart
Paganism = We make sure that unwashed masses don't ruin everything they touch by providing them with formal requirements
Otherwise we don't care whether they come or go
yes but we need to compete with collectivist zealots
on a large scale
Lutheranism = If you teach a man to read, suddenly he will become versed in mysteries of the faith
i want to win not have some perfect libertarian utopia or nothing
just train your population in insurgent warfare and push out the fucking monotheists
when they come to your door
Assuming "thanks but no thanks" didn't work
you're not being realistic. we have to work within this jewish narrative whether we like it or not.
I don't know what you're on about
what you're talking about is only applicable to a tiny minority
win what
Against whom
christianity happened. it had a big influence on the west. have to work within that frame at least somewhat.
even if people aren't officially christians it still left a big mark on everyone
win = 14 words
I think you're going to see the hard atheists flock back to it but other people looking for renewed religiousity will probably not become Christian if for nothing else than the fact that they've longsince abandoned those values
i'm not that optimistic
yeah @Gil O'Teen
I respect that attitude
face it, the peak of the west was arguably a christian west
and the argument is mostly about LARPing
the christian west produced the greatest amount of great people
industrialization and modernity would not have been possible without that
that it cannibalizes itself is unfortunate, but not guaranteed
it's debatable how much christianity is responsible for our success, the argument that white people were good for christianity and not the other way around is just as valid. it doesn't matter though. i'm just trying to be pragmatic and think of what would be most effective. things can improve over time but we need speed right now.
it's probably already too late
but have to do something while we're here
I think it's credible it's both things
white people and Christianity
but yeah pragmatism
white people should be worried about how they motivate their people to breed
over a lot of other more trivial concerns
i am a baby making proselytizer haha
Christians make more babies, but that's dropping
don't need a religion for that. it's so natural.
well, you would think
but other religions produce more babies
and it's not simply the race thing
Mormons produce more too
it's just cuz they have a positive view of it
what's up
well yes, what do you mean it's kjust
it's an important thing man
i've found all people need is ONE person to give encouragement and they get on board right away.
whatever reason they have
it's good enough
no <@!301033797909217287>
cuz we all have the desire in us, we just never get any encouragement
what alternative encouragement could work, hypothetically
it seems to me to be very abnormal
that living beings start to think reproduction isn't important
You won't go broke having children would be sufficient
to the point where they are on the edge of a demographic shrinkage
You might have to convince a lot that demographic shrinkage should matter to them
Uphill fight there
if the West does not have the deliberately chosen high fertility of Christianity
it will have the chaotic fertility of the dregs of their race
i give a good example too myself with my family so maybe it's easier for me because of that
you get dysgenics
intelligent people dont have kids
dumb people have plenty
sometimes specifically so that they can support a certain lifestyle
@เผบเฝเฝขเฝเพฑเฝขเผเฝเฝฆเฝเฝเผป yeah, that's the problem and the question and the answer
motivation
it's already pretty out there
deserving explanation
that they don't have kids
that's not normal
it's never been the case, in history
never self chosen low fertility
you don't need to get into demographics at all. people aren't motivated by these things anyway.
I've seen people rationalize it away as
statistics are gay
"oh so you are in favour of overpopulation"
no, it's not about the number of white people per se
it's more about, what happens
that a living being stops valuing reproduction
it seems like a very basic problem
that shouldn't happen
the exceptionalness really needs to be absorbed
the enormity understood
this has never, ever happened before, to any living being
i hear that sometimes, i just kind of mock them saying something like "ok sure let's just encourage all the smart people to not breed, that'll solve all the world's problems lol"
don't have to get into the details
it's obvious to everyone
but they won't do it still
well who are we talking about though?
people in general I guess
i mostly get good reactions
what they say isn't significant is it
at least for like 1-3 kids
if i start getting crazy with the numbers then i start losing them
something happened to lead to this mass change in behaviour
extreme depopulation is a common feature of the decline and fall of societies. They aren't the cause of it either.
no I understand
@เผบเฝเฝขเฝเพฑเฝขเผเฝเฝฆเฝเฝเผป the key is self chosen
so it's not abnormal per se
an external pressure causing reduced fertility is very understandable
there's a couple of ideas about why this has occured in modern times
one is:
Four healthy breeding pairs of mice were allowed to reproduce freely in a 'utopian' environment with ample food and water, no predators, no disease, comfortable temperature โ a near as possible ideal conditions and space. What happened was described by the author in terms of five phases: establishment, exponential growth, growth slowing, breeding ceases and population stagnant, population decline and extinction:
Phase A - 104 days - establishment of the mice in their new environment, then the first litters were born.
Phase B - up to day 315 - exponential population growth doubling every 55 days.
Phase C - from day 315-560 population growth abruptly slowed to a doubling time of 145 days.
Phase D - days 560-920; population stagnant with births just matching deaths. Emergence of many pathological behaviours.
Terminal Phase E - population declining to zero. The last conception was about day 920, after which there were no more births, all females were menopausal, the colony aged and all of them died.
To summarise โ when four breeding pairs of mice were allowed to reproduce under ideal โutopianโ conditions, the colony entirely ceased to breed after three years, and then went extinct.
I wasn't quite right about it being the only case, I guess there's this experiment too
all this stuff goes away with a bit of encouragement. people feel alienated and scared and not confident about being good parents etc, over emphasize financial concerns. i don't think past societies who had demographic declines were paying people to breed like many western countries are now.
"Four healthy breeding pairs of mice", aren't they inbreds?
there's really no excuse. people just need encouragement. overpopulation is not a problem in the west at all. let fucking asia and africa reduce theirs first.
four pairs of mice would be a quite reasonable bottleneck population that should last way more than that
i would like less people overall in the west too under ideal circumstances but that's so far from what we have now
let four breeding pairs of mice loose in say, some pacific island
they would probably overrun it if conditions were right
at least they would establish a stable population
the issue here is also the pathological behaviours
it's not just that they all died, they stopped breeding
According to Calhoun, such phenomena may take place in societies where the older generations live longer than usual and the population growth is still within normal limits. The elderly do not die fast enough, and the younger generations wait impatiently to take over certain social roles. The competition between generations becomes much more severe.
After time, the old and the young start behaving in a way they would never do in the wild. Along with behavioral changes, the organization of society declines.
Despite the popular name of the experiment, Calhoun failed to create utopian conditions. Quite the opposite, the main purpose of the experiment was to observe the reaction of mice when living in an overpopulated society. In order to create an actual utopian environment, the whole living area should have been enlarged before the start of phase C.
we're not mice. this is not an issue that requires abstract scientific analysis
That too
do the mice watch anti-mice propaganda on mice tv?
i'm a bit rustled cuz this should be such a simple issue
In other words white people are not having kids because overpopulation is a real problem.
ok i'm out for now. hail our people!
it's combination of overpopulation, retarded society and lack of purpose, gil is right when he says that people should be encouraged to reproduce
Strictly speaking about mouse Utopia
@เผบเฝเฝขเฝเพฑเฝขเผเฝเฝฆเฝเฝเผป overpopulation itself was not an issue in Mouse Utopia because the mice had everything they wanted
overpopulation is a malthusian issue for mankind, or considered one
the mice did not need to compete for food
they got everything
food, shelter, mates
did you read the rest
I remember that Brett wrote an article about it: http://www.amerika.org/politics/an-economics-of-survival/
I've read it all
I'm just clarifying this, wasn't contradicting you
ok
Fortunately in the real world the Utopia conditions aren't actually feasible
don't have to match it to humanity 1 to 1, or even close
there was a precipitous drop in fertility in both
the idea is, are we (or white people specifically) at the end of the curve
can we recognize things that look like those pathological behaviours
in modern people
Yes but you asked "why"
why what?
why are people not having kids
it was rhetorical
his conclusion is intuitive to most young people, "if I can't find a place, my kids won't"
otherwiseโ declines in birth rates follow trends of economic contraction once you grand an inertia of a generation or so
you're an INTJ too, aren't you
goddamnit
of course
Another one lol
That's terrific
How @diversity_is_racism might look like, proposal 2
yeah, no dice
and how Brett REALLY looks like
again
lets see
iBong should be good for it
brett is swarthy
there you go @The Enlightened Shepherd
dude not wearing a mask
Brett does not have a curly hair these are all judeo-bolshevik lies !
oh, a denialist
I respect your position
whos the guy on mac
dunno, ask prozak
some dude
lb noir innit
used to be more pages there
http://www.anus.com/zine/articles/ you can find the others here
DOXING IS RUDE
lol fucking unreal
They will all get the data for free one of these days.
@fallot HE HAS A PLAN
that allone should suffice !
Hard at work like usual ๐
Lol
@fallot prozak is sideshow Bob now.
where is conservationist
I am a lurker/random metal channel reader
also known as Ozz1666
no i didnt
cool
does it affect his message
are "nazis" welcome here? if not im out
If they let me in you should be fine.
hmm i dont remember him saying any of that
or at least the first part
but he is a cool dude
I like his writings both on heavy metal and politics
he has simple mission statement
yet his writings are on variety of topics
never rushing to declare a black and white outlook on life
but a more complex yet primitive and dark (to some) philosophy
that resonates well with me
Do you guys have some kind of policy platform that you're attempting to develop or implement
I am sensing you have something against him
>[3:50 PM] @UOC: Do you guys have some kind of policy platform that you're attempting to develop or implement
Well guys? Do we?
Prozak is a Texas secessionist but that may just be a meme
I mean, is this 100% shitposting, or can I talk about how regulation of electric utilities should work
and serious accusations toward Prozak
RIP wild
I have a 100% response rate beginning OKCupid messages with "Howdy." @diversity_is_racism's wisdom proves true again.
People like folksy for some reason. I guess they equate it with autheniticity.
Same reason organic ingredients or "organically sourced ingredients" are ironically a way to sell food now even more than it may have been before.
why do you use OKdalit
ordering whores off of the internet is one of the things you will have to stop doing if you intend to improve
I think I am going to start cooking my food in a fondue pot
retards think you need a stove, no you do not, you just need a tea light
even if I ate meat that would be true
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