"oh so you are in favour of overpopulation"

no, it's not about the number of white people per se

it's more about, what happens

that a living being stops valuing reproduction

it seems like a very basic problem

that shouldn't happen

the exceptionalness really needs to be absorbed

the enormity understood

this has never, ever happened before, to any living being

i hear that sometimes, i just kind of mock them saying something like "ok sure let's just encourage all the smart people to not breed, that'll solve all the world's problems lol"

don't have to get into the details

it's obvious to everyone

but they won't do it still

well who are we talking about though?

people in general I guess

i mostly get good reactions

what they say isn't significant is it

at least for like 1-3 kids

if i start getting crazy with the numbers then i start losing them

something happened to lead to this mass change in behaviour

extreme depopulation is a common feature of the decline and fall of societies. They aren't the cause of it either.

no I understand

@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ the key is self chosen

so it's not abnormal per se

an external pressure causing reduced fertility is very understandable

there's a couple of ideas about why this has occured in modern times

one is:

http://mouseutopia.blogspot.co.uk/

Four healthy breeding pairs of mice were allowed to reproduce freely in a 'utopian' environment with ample food and water, no predators, no disease, comfortable temperature – a near as possible ideal conditions and space. What happened was described by the author in terms of five phases: establishment, exponential growth, growth slowing, breeding ceases and population stagnant, population decline and extinction:

Phase A - 104 days - establishment of the mice in their new environment, then the first litters were born.

Phase B - up to day 315 - exponential population growth doubling every 55 days.

Phase C - from day 315-560 population growth abruptly slowed to a doubling time of 145 days.

Phase D - days 560-920; population stagnant with births just matching deaths. Emergence of many pathological behaviours.

Terminal Phase E - population declining to zero. The last conception was about day 920, after which there were no more births, all females were menopausal, the colony aged and all of them died.

To summarise – when four breeding pairs of mice were allowed to reproduce under ideal ‘utopian’ conditions, the colony entirely ceased to breed after three years, and then went extinct.

I wasn't quite right about it being the only case, I guess there's this experiment too

all this stuff goes away with a bit of encouragement. people feel alienated and scared and not confident about being good parents etc, over emphasize financial concerns. i don't think past societies who had demographic declines were paying people to breed like many western countries are now.

"Four healthy breeding pairs of mice", aren't they inbreds?

there's really no excuse. people just need encouragement. overpopulation is not a problem in the west at all. let fucking asia and africa reduce theirs first.

four pairs of mice would be a quite reasonable bottleneck population that should last way more than that

i would like less people overall in the west too under ideal circumstances but that's so far from what we have now

let four breeding pairs of mice loose in say, some pacific island

they would probably overrun it if conditions were right

at least they would establish a stable population

the issue here is also the pathological behaviours

it's not just that they all died, they stopped breeding