Message from @fallot
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statistics are gay
"oh so you are in favour of overpopulation"
no, it's not about the number of white people per se
it's more about, what happens
that a living being stops valuing reproduction
it seems like a very basic problem
that shouldn't happen
the exceptionalness really needs to be absorbed
the enormity understood
this has never, ever happened before, to any living being
i hear that sometimes, i just kind of mock them saying something like "ok sure let's just encourage all the smart people to not breed, that'll solve all the world's problems lol"
don't have to get into the details
it's obvious to everyone
but they won't do it still
well who are we talking about though?
people in general I guess
i mostly get good reactions
what they say isn't significant is it
at least for like 1-3 kids
if i start getting crazy with the numbers then i start losing them
extreme depopulation is a common feature of the decline and fall of societies. They aren't the cause of it either.
no I understand
@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ the key is self chosen
so it's not abnormal per se
an external pressure causing reduced fertility is very understandable
there's a couple of ideas about why this has occured in modern times
one is:
Four healthy breeding pairs of mice were allowed to reproduce freely in a 'utopian' environment with ample food and water, no predators, no disease, comfortable temperature – a near as possible ideal conditions and space. What happened was described by the author in terms of five phases: establishment, exponential growth, growth slowing, breeding ceases and population stagnant, population decline and extinction:
Phase A - 104 days - establishment of the mice in their new environment, then the first litters were born.
Phase B - up to day 315 - exponential population growth doubling every 55 days.
Phase C - from day 315-560 population growth abruptly slowed to a doubling time of 145 days.
Phase D - days 560-920; population stagnant with births just matching deaths. Emergence of many pathological behaviours.
Terminal Phase E - population declining to zero. The last conception was about day 920, after which there were no more births, all females were menopausal, the colony aged and all of them died.
To summarise – when four breeding pairs of mice were allowed to reproduce under ideal ‘utopian’ conditions, the colony entirely ceased to breed after three years, and then went extinct.
I wasn't quite right about it being the only case, I guess there's this experiment too
all this stuff goes away with a bit of encouragement. people feel alienated and scared and not confident about being good parents etc, over emphasize financial concerns. i don't think past societies who had demographic declines were paying people to breed like many western countries are now.
"Four healthy breeding pairs of mice", aren't they inbreds?
there's really no excuse. people just need encouragement. overpopulation is not a problem in the west at all. let fucking asia and africa reduce theirs first.
four pairs of mice would be a quite reasonable bottleneck population that should last way more than that
i would like less people overall in the west too under ideal circumstances but that's so far from what we have now
let four breeding pairs of mice loose in say, some pacific island
they would probably overrun it if conditions were right
at least they would establish a stable population
the issue here is also the pathological behaviours