It is a governance by religion

Islamic countries derive their laws from religious principles. As do all countries

Or in some, laws are derived from a lack of religion

No, it's more like Sharia is the law. Islam is the system of governance, which acts more ideological than religiously inclined. Where Christianity can be separate from government, Islam is the system of governance.

If you follow the atheist perspective then at some point humanity was just savage warring tribes raping and killing each other and there would be nothing wrong with it simply because that's what everyone did

Islam is most definitely a religion. An insane, corrupt, bizarre, illogical, dangerous religion, but a religion none the less. Not all religions are equal.

Not all are good.

Sharia itself is derived from the Quran and the teachings of Mohammed

I know, but I find Islam to be such a unique religion that it acts less like a religion and more like an ideology.

Slavery is legal in Islam because the religion allows it. Conversely, slavery is illegal pretty much everywhere else because of Christianity

While historically, Christian Europe did have slaves, they weren't the same slaves as blacks on a plantation. They were exclusively Muslim prisoners of war and used for military purposes such as rowing ships.

It was in fact illegal to have a Christian slave

Also, it kind of helps that Christianity isn't a legalistic religion.

The Bible tells us why everyone “knows” right from wrong. Everyone is descended from Adam and Eve. The laws are written in our hearts. Your basic human morality comes from God. Things get twisted when sin nature enters the picture and distorts society.

Again all the changes in religion to get it where it is today were made by people not god.

I didnt say that laws were full on morals I said that they are the minimum allowable morals one can hold without being damaging to others or society.

Europe may be bad but in many cases South America is worse despite being more homogeneous and more religious.

South America has a religious history. That does not make it religious.

There would also be that blacks are religious but also more deviant than average

Some religions have been exactly the same since their inception. Especially moral principles. There was never a time in history where mainstream Christianity endorsed murder, rape, homosexuality, or abortion for example

How many blacks go to church on a regular basis? And what are the basic tenets of their faith?

Catholics are also beginning to accept homosexuality in some ways

The religion is not.

The pope did unless I'm misremembering things

There is also that divorce wasnt in the faiths to begin with

You're not misremembering. However the media takes every opportunity to twist what he says

Further, even as the leader of the church, his own personal opinions cannot change the foundations of the church. We've had worse and we're still here 2000 years later

You also havent said how god enforces morals compared to normal morals

Where as Schools Government jobs and other high profile jobs are all subject to them. Without any mention of god involved.

Morals weakness by itself stems from the fact that no one system is widely used

There was a fool who had a private conversation with the Pope and later said he told him, God made him this way etc. But that statement never actually happened. Only the queer said this, nobody else

God didnt make anyone a certain way really

That god has a plan for everything is my most hated saying regarding religion period

By custom the Vatican does not report on the Pope's private conversations for this very reason. If an illegal immigrant died and he said "very sad" then the leftist media will report that the endorsed illegal immigration and abolishing borders.

I agree on that. While I do believe God has a plan, that doesn't mean he made someone be a murderer, rapist, gay, pagan etc. People cannot blame God for their own sin.

I was just saying. I know the pope right now is a deviant cuck. But it still stands that man makes the law regarding religion now god doesn't.

I won't go as far as calling him that. But he is tainted by a leftist society for sure

God is who decided what is moral. Man can claim something or twist something to fit his own agenda. But it doesn't make it true.

It cant be twisted depending on the method or moral or ethics used.

It also adds ways of measuring it beyond god said so

One of the biggest taboos in morality is doing something primarily for personal gain to the detriment of others.

If it hurts someone else it isnt even allowed in 2/3 systems I know of. at least when it comes to using it for your gain.

you capitalize God, whether you believe in Him or not

FYI

God isnt gods name it a title used to keep from taking gods name in vain

When we say God, we refer to the Judeo Christian deity. Using god is a generic term that could just as easily reference Odin

Just like saying, a president vs the President

It's just a convention of the language

God is still His title

And should be capitalized

if you do not capitalize God, you are, as Ragnarok said, referring to a generic term or a god from a polytheistic religion

God enforces morality by pure invocation alone. When you invoke a higher power with your moral code, that gives it the weight of authority needed for people to respect it.

You don't need the state to force people to follow that morality. Rather, it is conducted purely on the aspect of social pressure and the belief of importance.

When you can get people to believe in something, then that thing acrews meaning and, in turn, becomes important.

John Locke, himself, made the point pretty clear numerous times throughout his political treatise about the importance of religion as a foundation of society.

Because of how grammar works there is only one god I have been talking about

We do good either as a service to God, or because we're afraid of Hell. There is nothing else to stop us from doing wrong when it is legal.

Or even illegal. The conviction rate for murder is about 57%.

So imaginary jail is enough but real jail or consequences arent enough to enforce morals?

Using real laws quickly descends into authoritarianism.

Without religion, you get Stalins, Maos, and Lenins.

In anycase from boots definition morals would work without god

What if there are no consequences? What if jail doesn't strike fear? I've probably made a thousand arrests. The vast majority were repeat offenders.

No, they wouldn't.

They wouldn't be morals anymore.

They would be laws.

If jail doesnt strike fear how does god?

Fear of society shunning you for doing wrong.

God sends you to Hell. Forever.

Laws are different from codes and statues. B

Of course, there will always be excepts, but that's why we call them excepts.

But they dont care about god or hell

Again, excepts.

Just like people dont care about laws sometimes

"Hey, look, there's a tall woman! Your statement is false!" - Non-arguments.

And those people are exceptions.

You're right, because they don't believe in a god.

So religion works except when it doesnt...

And laws work except when it doesn't.

Well not in the traditional sense. Everyone believes in a god. But for an atheist, that god is himself.

you may not fear Hell in your normal life, but if you actually believe in Hell or think there is a chance, and you think you could go there, you will fear it and you will have an uncomfortable death

The point being laws apply even if you dont believe them

And Laws have a much easier habit of resulting in tyranny.

Morals do not.

Religion resulted in tyranny when it was the law

Morals arent religion

Depending on the religion yes

You can have morals without religion

Tell me what right a man has to decide what is moral

Not so much the other way

However, religion is the best entity of actually getting people to agree with your morality.

Also, religion was the result of the need for explanations and was the result of society agreeing on common principles and figures.

Man can weigh the good and make decisions based on that

Ehzek, define "good."

With the highest morality comming from what is best for you and others

Who decides what is best?

Alright, what is the best for you and others?

In fact, tell me what can be considered "good" in an objective manner?

What is "best" for a poor family is to slaughter a rich family and take everything from them. As has happened in every godless communist revolution