Message from @Little Boots

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2018-06-27 00:20:29 UTC  

FYI

2018-06-27 00:24:08 UTC  

God isnt gods name it a title used to keep from taking gods name in vain

2018-06-27 00:29:03 UTC  

When we say God, we refer to the Judeo Christian deity. Using god is a generic term that could just as easily reference Odin

2018-06-27 00:29:24 UTC  

Just like saying, a president vs the President

2018-06-27 00:32:22 UTC  

It's just a convention of the language

2018-06-27 00:44:09 UTC  

God is still His title

2018-06-27 00:44:31 UTC  

And should be capitalized

2018-06-27 00:45:07 UTC  

if you do not capitalize God, you are, as Ragnarok said, referring to a generic term or a god from a polytheistic religion

2018-06-27 01:25:03 UTC  

God enforces morality by pure invocation alone. When you invoke a higher power with your moral code, that gives it the weight of authority needed for people to respect it.

2018-06-27 01:25:43 UTC  

You don't need the state to force people to follow that morality. Rather, it is conducted purely on the aspect of social pressure and the belief of importance.

2018-06-27 01:28:24 UTC  

When you can get people to believe in something, then that thing acrews meaning and, in turn, becomes important.

2018-06-27 01:29:27 UTC  

John Locke, himself, made the point pretty clear numerous times throughout his political treatise about the importance of religion as a foundation of society.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451601956755210241/461342266770980864/quote-those-are-not-at-all-to-be-tolerated-who-deny-the-being-of-god-promises-covenants-and-john-loc.jpg

2018-06-27 01:36:54 UTC  

Because of how grammar works there is only one god I have been talking about

2018-06-27 01:37:29 UTC  

We do good either as a service to God, or because we're afraid of Hell. There is nothing else to stop us from doing wrong when it is legal.

2018-06-27 01:37:49 UTC  

Or even illegal. The conviction rate for murder is about 57%.

2018-06-27 01:38:21 UTC  

So imaginary jail is enough but real jail or consequences arent enough to enforce morals?

2018-06-27 01:39:09 UTC  

Using real laws quickly descends into authoritarianism.

2018-06-27 01:39:27 UTC  

Without religion, you get Stalins, Maos, and Lenins.

2018-06-27 01:39:35 UTC  

In anycase from boots definition morals would work without god

2018-06-27 01:40:03 UTC  

What if there are no consequences? What if jail doesn't strike fear? I've probably made a thousand arrests. The vast majority were repeat offenders.

2018-06-27 01:40:05 UTC  

No, they wouldn't.

2018-06-27 01:40:11 UTC  

They wouldn't be morals anymore.

2018-06-27 01:40:14 UTC  

They would be laws.

2018-06-27 01:40:22 UTC  

If jail doesnt strike fear how does god?

2018-06-27 01:40:39 UTC  

Fear of society shunning you for doing wrong.

2018-06-27 01:40:51 UTC  

God sends you to Hell. Forever.

2018-06-27 01:41:02 UTC  

Laws are different from codes and statues. B

2018-06-27 01:41:02 UTC  

Of course, there will always be excepts, but that's why we call them excepts.

2018-06-27 01:41:15 UTC  

But they dont care about god or hell

2018-06-27 01:41:22 UTC  

Again, excepts.

2018-06-27 01:41:36 UTC  

Just like people dont care about laws sometimes

2018-06-27 01:41:40 UTC  

"Hey, look, there's a tall woman! Your statement is false!" - Non-arguments.

2018-06-27 01:41:50 UTC  

And those people are exceptions.

2018-06-27 01:42:08 UTC  

You're right, because they don't believe in a god.

2018-06-27 01:42:12 UTC  

So religion works except when it doesnt...

2018-06-27 01:42:26 UTC  

And laws work except when it doesn't.

2018-06-27 01:42:32 UTC  

Well not in the traditional sense. Everyone believes in a god. But for an atheist, that god is himself.

2018-06-27 01:42:57 UTC  

you may not fear Hell in your normal life, but if you actually believe in Hell or think there is a chance, and you think you could go there, you will fear it and you will have an uncomfortable death

2018-06-27 01:43:01 UTC  

The point being laws apply even if you dont believe them

2018-06-27 01:43:32 UTC  

And Laws have a much easier habit of resulting in tyranny.

2018-06-27 01:43:35 UTC  

Morals do not.