Message from @Ehzek
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God enforces morality by pure invocation alone. When you invoke a higher power with your moral code, that gives it the weight of authority needed for people to respect it.
You don't need the state to force people to follow that morality. Rather, it is conducted purely on the aspect of social pressure and the belief of importance.
When you can get people to believe in something, then that thing acrews meaning and, in turn, becomes important.
John Locke, himself, made the point pretty clear numerous times throughout his political treatise about the importance of religion as a foundation of society.
Because of how grammar works there is only one god I have been talking about
We do good either as a service to God, or because we're afraid of Hell. There is nothing else to stop us from doing wrong when it is legal.
Or even illegal. The conviction rate for murder is about 57%.
So imaginary jail is enough but real jail or consequences arent enough to enforce morals?
Using real laws quickly descends into authoritarianism.
Without religion, you get Stalins, Maos, and Lenins.
In anycase from boots definition morals would work without god
What if there are no consequences? What if jail doesn't strike fear? I've probably made a thousand arrests. The vast majority were repeat offenders.
No, they wouldn't.
They wouldn't be morals anymore.
They would be laws.
If jail doesnt strike fear how does god?
Fear of society shunning you for doing wrong.
God sends you to Hell. Forever.
Laws are different from codes and statues. B
Of course, there will always be excepts, but that's why we call them excepts.
Again, excepts.
Just like people dont care about laws sometimes
"Hey, look, there's a tall woman! Your statement is false!" - Non-arguments.
And those people are exceptions.
You're right, because they don't believe in a god.
So religion works except when it doesnt...
And laws work except when it doesn't.
Well not in the traditional sense. Everyone believes in a god. But for an atheist, that god is himself.
you may not fear Hell in your normal life, but if you actually believe in Hell or think there is a chance, and you think you could go there, you will fear it and you will have an uncomfortable death
The point being laws apply even if you dont believe them
And Laws have a much easier habit of resulting in tyranny.
Morals do not.
Religion resulted in tyranny when it was the law
Morals arent religion
Depending on the religion yes
You can have morals without religion
Tell me what right a man has to decide what is moral
Not so much the other way
However, religion is the best entity of actually getting people to agree with your morality.
Also, religion was the result of the need for explanations and was the result of society agreeing on common principles and figures.