>Have morals without Religion

Look at Europe, only 3% of the population are Saved Christians. When you remove God and allow man to operate under their own laws, society collapses.

It is a governance by religion

Islamic countries derive their laws from religious principles. As do all countries

Or in some, laws are derived from a lack of religion

No, it's more like Sharia is the law. Islam is the system of governance, which acts more ideological than religiously inclined. Where Christianity can be separate from government, Islam is the system of governance.

If you follow the atheist perspective then at some point humanity was just savage warring tribes raping and killing each other and there would be nothing wrong with it simply because that's what everyone did

Islam is most definitely a religion. An insane, corrupt, bizarre, illogical, dangerous religion, but a religion none the less. Not all religions are equal.

Not all are good.

Sharia itself is derived from the Quran and the teachings of Mohammed

I know, but I find Islam to be such a unique religion that it acts less like a religion and more like an ideology.

Slavery is legal in Islam because the religion allows it. Conversely, slavery is illegal pretty much everywhere else because of Christianity

While historically, Christian Europe did have slaves, they weren't the same slaves as blacks on a plantation. They were exclusively Muslim prisoners of war and used for military purposes such as rowing ships.

It was in fact illegal to have a Christian slave

Also, it kind of helps that Christianity isn't a legalistic religion.

The Bible tells us why everyone “knows” right from wrong. Everyone is descended from Adam and Eve. The laws are written in our hearts. Your basic human morality comes from God. Things get twisted when sin nature enters the picture and distorts society.

Again all the changes in religion to get it where it is today were made by people not god.

I didnt say that laws were full on morals I said that they are the minimum allowable morals one can hold without being damaging to others or society.

Europe may be bad but in many cases South America is worse despite being more homogeneous and more religious.

South America has a religious history. That does not make it religious.

There would also be that blacks are religious but also more deviant than average

Some religions have been exactly the same since their inception. Especially moral principles. There was never a time in history where mainstream Christianity endorsed murder, rape, homosexuality, or abortion for example

How many blacks go to church on a regular basis? And what are the basic tenets of their faith?

Catholics are also beginning to accept homosexuality in some ways

The religion is not.

The pope did unless I'm misremembering things

There is also that divorce wasnt in the faiths to begin with

You're not misremembering. However the media takes every opportunity to twist what he says

Further, even as the leader of the church, his own personal opinions cannot change the foundations of the church. We've had worse and we're still here 2000 years later

You also havent said how god enforces morals compared to normal morals

Where as Schools Government jobs and other high profile jobs are all subject to them. Without any mention of god involved.

Morals weakness by itself stems from the fact that no one system is widely used

There was a fool who had a private conversation with the Pope and later said he told him, God made him this way etc. But that statement never actually happened. Only the queer said this, nobody else

God didnt make anyone a certain way really

That god has a plan for everything is my most hated saying regarding religion period

By custom the Vatican does not report on the Pope's private conversations for this very reason. If an illegal immigrant died and he said "very sad" then the leftist media will report that the endorsed illegal immigration and abolishing borders.

I agree on that. While I do believe God has a plan, that doesn't mean he made someone be a murderer, rapist, gay, pagan etc. People cannot blame God for their own sin.

I was just saying. I know the pope right now is a deviant cuck. But it still stands that man makes the law regarding religion now god doesn't.

I won't go as far as calling him that. But he is tainted by a leftist society for sure

God is who decided what is moral. Man can claim something or twist something to fit his own agenda. But it doesn't make it true.

It cant be twisted depending on the method or moral or ethics used.