I was already on the server

you nigger

A community for leftists, socialists, and anarchists based upon mutual aid and freedom of speech.

Good.

What about mutual AIDS

It's what black and gay people have

Nah

We're not n*ggers

So we don't have AIDS

We're Juden

oy vey

we need communism

No

we need national syndicalism

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We need national bolshevism

@Firefly#9983 I am going to stop drinking. My brain is getting sluggish. I don't even know off the top of my head. Idealistic dialectics?

What fucking oxy mornonism is that?

What's an oxymoron?

Oxymoronism?

@olev http://www.dictionary.com/browse/oxymoron?s=t

No, I mean

What thing here

is an oxymoron

National syndicalism.

How is it an oxymoron?

You would be making a nationalist belief in a system where there is no nation.

@Deleted User No?

THat's not how ti works.

Syndicalism does not imply the absence of a state

Wasn't Proto-Fascism called National Syndicalism? And later Falangism.

I think only anarcho-syndicalism denies the state.

It's just a melding of Nationalism (fascism) and Syndicalism as economics.

That is all.

But tbh I've heard anarchists say nationalism and anarchism are compatible

Mostly ancap retards

Ancaps are retarded.

That I can agree with you on.

But, alas

a state is not a nation.

A state is just the shapard and guide of the nation and folk.

Nationalism requires a state

@Anglican But yet, I have heard that the state is enemy of anarchists?

@olev There's a whole tendency called national-anarchism lol. What is more ironic if you read those anarchist authors like Bakunin who was a Russian nationalist and pan-Slavic union proponent you validate such opinions.

Of course it is.

I'm not an Anarchist

I'm actually pretty authortarian.

Syndicalism refers solely to economics.

When the revolutionary syndicalists took it over, they seeked to take over also social life.

By dismantling the state and establishing their own.

I rush through topics and tell myself I understand them, because it is easy to use fancy language to convince others that you know what you are talking about. My ego tells me it is sufficient but it really isn't. I'm really just a lazy moron with egotistical bias. Time to get real and stop shitposting. Look at me, I'm an idiot, point and laugh. Let's get it over with. I'm a fake.

Which they just called governence or somet shit.

If you believe nationalist anarchism exists, please explain what nationalism is

Nationalism is the support of a national identity.

This national identity can be linked to a lot of things.

But culture, ethnicity, and ideals are veyr popular.

It is upholding the culture of the nation, and promoting national interests, correct?

How does one do this without a state?

I'd say it'd be VERY hard to do it under a voluntary assocation.

It might as well not be something you even fucking attempt.

You can't

A state is simply way more effective at this.

Nationalism requires a state

Okay.

I'm not an Anarchist anyway.

I wonder how Kurds would fit with this.

They're nationalist and pretty leftist, from the Kurds of Turkey to the rather anti-statist Kurds of Syria who filrted with though of Bookchin an ex-anarchist. They also never really had a state.

@Anglican Skimmed through the wikipedia article on national syndicalism, and what I got was a few paragraphs about the origin, and a poorly sourced 2-3 paragraph section, which did mostly beating around the bush and did not give a conclusive definition of national syndicalism, so I cannot make much of an opinion about it.

All that I can say, is that it seems like the bastard child of syndicalism.

It's my ideology; it has nothing to do with how it's officially seen by the wiki.

I'm not a tolitarian. Firstly.

It's literally just a melding of syndicalist economics into a fascist society adn state.

Apparently it is anti marxist, which I find hard to believe.

Dude...

YOu're being retarded.

Marxism is international and atheist.

NATIONAL SYNDICALISM IS A FORM OF FASCISM

Marxism isn't atheist

Just marx saw religion as something that will fade away eventually

And yes, Syndicalism is a form of socialism,.

But it came before Marx and is a market economic system.

Marx didn't invent communism

He never outlined how a communist society would function

Hold on, I need to restart my computer, linux is being a nigger

Yet it is a combination of fascism and sydnicalism, and it is a form of socialism, woulden't that mean that the belief itself is a product of marxism?

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@olev Marx hated religion.

No.

Marxism is not all forms of socialism.

Marx didn't invent socialism

Again

Marxism isn't even a political ideology

There is a reason why we specifically make a distinction between Marxian Socialists (Leninists and such) and non-Marxian Socialists (Syndicalits, Mutualists, Market Socialists, etc)

And even if Marxian thought lead to the evolution of Nationaist thought from his teachings, the good ones

The distinction shouldn't be Marx vs. Non-Marx

would that not be seen as renewing?

It should be market vs. non-market

All are based upon social ownership and oppose capitalism

But non-market socialism seeks to abolish money and the class system