Message from @National Trotskyist

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2017-09-01 23:55:02 UTC  

I'm not an Anarchist

2017-09-01 23:55:14 UTC  

I'm actually pretty authortarian.

2017-09-01 23:55:52 UTC  

Syndicalism refers solely to economics.

2017-09-01 23:56:08 UTC  

When the revolutionary syndicalists took it over, they seeked to take over also social life.

2017-09-01 23:56:20 UTC  

By dismantling the state and establishing their own.

2017-09-01 23:56:22 UTC  

I rush through topics and tell myself I understand them, because it is easy to use fancy language to convince others that you know what you are talking about. My ego tells me it is sufficient but it really isn't. I'm really just a lazy moron with egotistical bias. Time to get real and stop shitposting. Look at me, I'm an idiot, point and laugh. Let's get it over with. I'm a fake.

2017-09-01 23:56:29 UTC  

Which they just called governence or somet shit.

2017-09-01 23:56:38 UTC  

If you believe nationalist anarchism exists, please explain what nationalism is

2017-09-01 23:56:58 UTC  

Nationalism is the support of a national identity.

2017-09-01 23:57:06 UTC  

This national identity can be linked to a lot of things.

2017-09-01 23:57:16 UTC  

But culture, ethnicity, and ideals are veyr popular.

2017-09-01 23:57:36 UTC  

It is upholding the culture of the nation, and promoting national interests, correct?

2017-09-01 23:57:47 UTC  

How does one do this without a state?

2017-09-01 23:58:28 UTC  

I'd say it'd be VERY hard to do it under a voluntary assocation.

2017-09-01 23:58:36 UTC  

It might as well not be something you even fucking attempt.

2017-09-01 23:58:43 UTC  

You can't

2017-09-01 23:58:47 UTC  

A state is simply way more effective at this.

2017-09-01 23:58:49 UTC  

Nationalism requires a state

2017-09-01 23:58:54 UTC  

Okay.

2017-09-01 23:58:59 UTC  

I'm not an Anarchist anyway.

2017-09-02 00:00:12 UTC  

I wonder how Kurds would fit with this.

They're nationalist and pretty leftist, from the Kurds of Turkey to the rather anti-statist Kurds of Syria who filrted with though of Bookchin an ex-anarchist. They also never really had a state.

2017-09-02 00:01:03 UTC  

@Anglican Skimmed through the wikipedia article on national syndicalism, and what I got was a few paragraphs about the origin, and a poorly sourced 2-3 paragraph section, which did mostly beating around the bush and did not give a conclusive definition of national syndicalism, so I cannot make much of an opinion about it.

2017-09-02 00:01:22 UTC  

All that I can say, is that it seems like the bastard child of syndicalism.

2017-09-02 00:01:43 UTC  

It's my ideology; it has nothing to do with how it's officially seen by the wiki.

2017-09-02 00:01:51 UTC  

I'm not a tolitarian. Firstly.

2017-09-02 00:02:09 UTC  

It's literally just a melding of syndicalist economics into a fascist society adn state.

2017-09-02 00:02:51 UTC  

Apparently it is anti marxist, which I find hard to believe.

2017-09-02 00:03:04 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/353328944726016000/i-have-no-idea-what-im-doing.png

2017-09-02 00:03:12 UTC  

Dude...

2017-09-02 00:03:15 UTC  

YOu're being retarded.

2017-09-02 00:03:22 UTC  

Marxism is international and atheist.

2017-09-02 00:03:29 UTC  

NATIONAL SYNDICALISM IS A FORM OF FASCISM

2017-09-02 00:04:11 UTC  

Marxism isn't atheist

2017-09-02 00:04:37 UTC  

Just marx saw religion as something that will fade away eventually

2017-09-02 00:04:52 UTC  

And yes, Syndicalism is a form of socialism,.

2017-09-02 00:05:04 UTC  

But it came before Marx and is a market economic system.

2017-09-02 00:05:19 UTC  

Marx didn't invent communism

2017-09-02 00:05:40 UTC  

He never outlined how a communist society would function

2017-09-02 00:05:58 UTC  

Hold on, I need to restart my computer, linux is being a nigger

2017-09-02 00:05:58 UTC  

Yet it is a combination of fascism and sydnicalism, and it is a form of socialism, woulden't that mean that the belief itself is a product of marxism?

2017-09-02 00:06:11 UTC  

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