im thankful the natives fought like shit

and let the white man build cities and schools

good thanks

instant nsfw nice

this is the internet for sure

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/charles-manson-death-dead-serial-killer-neo-nazis-resurrect-fascist-movement-cult-family-universal-a8065781.html

Long live comrade kishenji

Nov rev celebrations, WB india

Why isn't there a Norwegian Swedish and finnish channel?

communist streetshitters are the best

All communism humors me

>tfw without Fidel

today it's fidel's death aniversary

Hello

Are right wingers allowed here

@Deleted User lmao

Most of the server is right wing

Oof

I thought it was leftypol

did you really think you guys could have your own safehaven on the internet

the politics of the internet as a whole is right of the center

How do communists not understand economics

@Deleted User

explain

@Deleted User gy

GAY

@olev explain how communists do understand economics

@Brickiest Brick The original claim was that communists do not understand economics

Which is a positive claim so the burden of proof is on it

Not me

every communist nation that has ever been formed has collapsed on itself if not from war

venezuela is currently in this process

@olev

Lmao venezuela is 70% private

Hold on a second

I'll explain this but I'm preoccupied

venezuela has been a transitional socialist state for a long time

the regulations it imposes on its citizens is immense

plus nationalization of important resources has led to massive food shortages and inflation

it's the regulations on the "private" businesses that's really killing them

the goal is to "nationalize" through regulations

it has essentially the same effects

Government regulations aren't socialism

they are essentially the same concept

government tells the private sector what to do

Okay so you literally don't know what socialism is

i do know what socialism is

i also know that real socialism has never been tried

and i also know that real socialism is impossible to achieve

without the use of the force of the state

which inevitably causes its collapse

How does the state cause it to collapse

because in order to bring the power to the workers the state must abolish any and all dissent and nationalize the industries

otherwise, you get anarchism

this doesnt sound that bad on paper

but in practice, whatever the state can do the private sector can do better

They don't need to suppress dissent unless it's physical action

What do you mean otherwise you get anarchism

Your analysis is fucking flimsy and stupid

well by dissent i also mean people creating industries and capitalistic practices and whatnot

You're just regurgitating stupid shit you've heard elsewhere

you get anarchism with no government

Sure

is this a debate

Okay but what do you mean otherwise you get anarchism with socialism

You don't make any sense

alright you cant have communism without socialism and you cant have socialism without capitalism

socialism is supposed to be the transitional period from capitalism to communism

Correct

However there's an intermediate stage between capitalism and socialism

im sure there is

and also between socialism and communism

No

There isn't

explain

Capitalism ---> Dictatorship of the proletariat ---> Socialism (lower stage communism) ---> Higher stage communism

what is this dictatorship of the proletariat

is this supposed to be the violent revolution

When the proletariat seizes political power

The USSR was DoTP until stalin

so yes from this point the proletariat takes power ok

so now they enact socialist type policies through heavier regulations and nationalizing businesses

this works in the short term, as does all government intervention

All means of production are nationalized

And there is worker control of industry

But money and the law of value still exists

that it does

and commodity production to an extent

alright so everything is now nationalized

and people are still working and trading with money

Correct

people are still being fed well and people in the lower classes now get richer