Message from @Brickiest Brick
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i also know that real socialism has never been tried
and i also know that real socialism is impossible to achieve
without the use of the force of the state
which inevitably causes its collapse
How does the state cause it to collapse
because in order to bring the power to the workers the state must abolish any and all dissent and nationalize the industries
otherwise, you get anarchism
this doesnt sound that bad on paper
but in practice, whatever the state can do the private sector can do better
They don't need to suppress dissent unless it's physical action
What do you mean otherwise you get anarchism
Your analysis is fucking flimsy and stupid
well by dissent i also mean people creating industries and capitalistic practices and whatnot
You're just regurgitating stupid shit you've heard elsewhere
you get anarchism with no government
Sure
is this a debate
Okay but what do you mean otherwise you get anarchism with socialism
You don't make any sense
alright you cant have communism without socialism and you cant have socialism without capitalism
Correct
However there's an intermediate stage between capitalism and socialism
im sure there is
and also between socialism and communism
No
There isn't
explain
Capitalism ---> Dictatorship of the proletariat ---> Socialism (lower stage communism) ---> Higher stage communism
what is this dictatorship of the proletariat
is this supposed to be the violent revolution
When the proletariat seizes political power
The USSR was DoTP until stalin
so yes from this point the proletariat takes power ok
so now they enact socialist type policies through heavier regulations and nationalizing businesses
this works in the short term, as does all government intervention
All means of production are nationalized
And there is worker control of industry
But money and the law of value still exists
that it does
and commodity production to an extent