more people overall are in a healthier state of living

socialism works in the short term

Well socialism in the broad sense and socialism in terms of marxism are different

i understand there is a difference between marxist leninist and marxism

What does this have to do with anything

what does your point have to do with anything

of course there is a difference between different socialist schools of thought

Because when we're talking about socialism it depends on what you're talking about

If it's socialism in general or marxist socialism

i'm talking about most types of socialism in general

all that have been tried and all that have been attempted

You can't try marxist socialism

marxism is impossible to achieve

But historical examples of socialism would be anarchist catalonia, anarchist ukraine, yugoslavia, and the paris commune

Socialism in the marxist sense is lower stage communism

@Brickiest Brick Why

Also

Marxism, socialism, and communism aren't interchangable

i know

im aware of the different types

lets get back to the communism scenario

as the nationalization process continues, inflation of the currency coincides with it

this wouldn't be a problem because the communist doctrine states from each according to his ability to each according to his need

however in practice it is problematic because without competition to run the marketplace there is less incentive to produce essential resources

in a capitalist society competition leads to better quality and more accessability and coincides with the system of supply and demand

in communism it has been shown time and time again that this kind of nationalization produces shortages of the most basic resources

it just doesnt work without at least some capitalist elements

They did have basic resources

But a lack of consumer goods because they were embargoed

And in the case of the USSR, the planned economy was for the needs of the military

Which led to a lack in consumer goods

the government cannot provide for all the resources of a nation

that is why the USSR and other communist nations have shortages

they constantly have to borrow from other countries

that are capitalist, mind you

until their inevitable collapse

You mean trade?

Which happens with all nations?

a nation has to be at least self-sustaining

russia during the USSR had tons of resources

the nationalization of those resources led to poor management and a lack of work incentive

as a result the people starved

How did they lack work incentive

they were practically being forced to work on government operated farms

They were still paid

What do you mean forced

explain the bread lines and the high bread prices

1 loaf a day

In the 1930s the kulaks burned a fuckton of their crops

Which caused the shortages

And then there were some in the 1980s which is when there was market reforms

alright

explain cuba's situation

What is their situation

they're a communist nation

how are they doing

They're doing decent

Compared to surrounding countries they have a higher standard of living

they also have technology that was manufactured in the 1960's

their people are also hungry

economically they are going nowhere

Lmao the US has an embargo on them

No shit they can't get anywhere

why would a communist nation need to trade with other countries

how could they use up all their resources and not be self sufficient

Why are you saying communist nation

capitalist countries are doing just fine regarding food

I thought you said you understand socialism/communism

they constantly make more food and the store shelves are overflowed

what do you mean

what did i say

You keep saying "communist nation"

a communist state would be a better term

That's an oxymoron

Okay well you proved you know nothing about marxism/communism/socialism

Goodbye

for all intents and purposes i am referring to communist societies and communist states

hey i just look at the statistics, my friend

it starves its people and you cant deny this

i can get some statistics if you want me to

Yeah no reason to even look into why that is

Don't even consider any conditions or problems

It's obviously the planning

i can see how you think that

I'm not going to talk with you if you're so uneducated about everything

You will literally gain no knowledge from this if you don't even understand communism

but you have it all wrong here see

all types of government intervention is detrimental

government cant control everything and the things it does control are better off in the peoples' hands

this so-called "free society" promised under communism is itself an oxymoron

you look at venezuela for example as i said before with its regulations on businesses for the "common good"

Regulations aren't socialism holy shit

leading to food shortages and shorter life spans

regulations are government

socialism is government

communism is government

its all the same effects

of course they're different in the way they're implemented

>shorter life spans

Do you want to tell me why Cuba has a larger life expectancy than the US