Message from @Brickiest Brick
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every communist nation that has ever been formed has collapsed on itself if not from war
venezuela is currently in this process
Lmao venezuela is 70% private
Hold on a second
I'll explain this but I'm preoccupied
venezuela has been a transitional socialist state for a long time
the regulations it imposes on its citizens is immense
plus nationalization of important resources has led to massive food shortages and inflation
it's the regulations on the "private" businesses that's really killing them
the goal is to "nationalize" through regulations
it has essentially the same effects
Government regulations aren't socialism
they are essentially the same concept
government tells the private sector what to do
Okay so you literally don't know what socialism is
i do know what socialism is
i also know that real socialism has never been tried
and i also know that real socialism is impossible to achieve
which inevitably causes its collapse
How does the state cause it to collapse
because in order to bring the power to the workers the state must abolish any and all dissent and nationalize the industries
otherwise, you get anarchism
this doesnt sound that bad on paper
but in practice, whatever the state can do the private sector can do better
They don't need to suppress dissent unless it's physical action
What do you mean otherwise you get anarchism
Your analysis is fucking flimsy and stupid
well by dissent i also mean people creating industries and capitalistic practices and whatnot
You're just regurgitating stupid shit you've heard elsewhere
you get anarchism with no government
Sure
is this a debate
Okay but what do you mean otherwise you get anarchism with socialism
You don't make any sense
alright you cant have communism without socialism and you cant have socialism without capitalism
socialism is supposed to be the transitional period from capitalism to communism
Correct
However there's an intermediate stage between capitalism and socialism