they are essentially the same concept

government tells the private sector what to do

Okay so you literally don't know what socialism is

i do know what socialism is

i also know that real socialism has never been tried

and i also know that real socialism is impossible to achieve

without the use of the force of the state

which inevitably causes its collapse

How does the state cause it to collapse

because in order to bring the power to the workers the state must abolish any and all dissent and nationalize the industries

otherwise, you get anarchism

this doesnt sound that bad on paper

but in practice, whatever the state can do the private sector can do better

They don't need to suppress dissent unless it's physical action

What do you mean otherwise you get anarchism

Your analysis is fucking flimsy and stupid

well by dissent i also mean people creating industries and capitalistic practices and whatnot

You're just regurgitating stupid shit you've heard elsewhere

you get anarchism with no government

Sure

is this a debate

Okay but what do you mean otherwise you get anarchism with socialism

You don't make any sense

alright you cant have communism without socialism and you cant have socialism without capitalism

socialism is supposed to be the transitional period from capitalism to communism

Correct

However there's an intermediate stage between capitalism and socialism

im sure there is

and also between socialism and communism

No

There isn't

explain

Capitalism ---> Dictatorship of the proletariat ---> Socialism (lower stage communism) ---> Higher stage communism

what is this dictatorship of the proletariat

is this supposed to be the violent revolution

When the proletariat seizes political power

The USSR was DoTP until stalin

so yes from this point the proletariat takes power ok

so now they enact socialist type policies through heavier regulations and nationalizing businesses

this works in the short term, as does all government intervention

All means of production are nationalized