Sure

is this a debate

Okay but what do you mean otherwise you get anarchism with socialism

You don't make any sense

alright you cant have communism without socialism and you cant have socialism without capitalism

socialism is supposed to be the transitional period from capitalism to communism

Correct

However there's an intermediate stage between capitalism and socialism

im sure there is

and also between socialism and communism

No

There isn't

explain

Capitalism ---> Dictatorship of the proletariat ---> Socialism (lower stage communism) ---> Higher stage communism

what is this dictatorship of the proletariat

is this supposed to be the violent revolution

When the proletariat seizes political power

The USSR was DoTP until stalin

so yes from this point the proletariat takes power ok

so now they enact socialist type policies through heavier regulations and nationalizing businesses

this works in the short term, as does all government intervention

All means of production are nationalized

And there is worker control of industry

But money and the law of value still exists

that it does

and commodity production to an extent

alright so everything is now nationalized

and people are still working and trading with money

Correct

people are still being fed well and people in the lower classes now get richer

more people overall are in a healthier state of living

socialism works in the short term

Well socialism in the broad sense and socialism in terms of marxism are different

i understand there is a difference between marxist leninist and marxism

What does this have to do with anything

what does your point have to do with anything

of course there is a difference between different socialist schools of thought

Because when we're talking about socialism it depends on what you're talking about

If it's socialism in general or marxist socialism

i'm talking about most types of socialism in general

all that have been tried and all that have been attempted