Message from @Brickiest Brick

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2017-11-26 06:33:41 UTC  

They don't need to suppress dissent unless it's physical action

2017-11-26 06:33:57 UTC  

What do you mean otherwise you get anarchism

2017-11-26 06:34:05 UTC  

Your analysis is fucking flimsy and stupid

2017-11-26 06:34:17 UTC  

well by dissent i also mean people creating industries and capitalistic practices and whatnot

2017-11-26 06:34:19 UTC  

You're just regurgitating stupid shit you've heard elsewhere

2017-11-26 06:34:31 UTC  

you get anarchism with no government

2017-11-26 06:34:35 UTC  

Sure

2017-11-26 06:34:35 UTC  

is this a debate

2017-11-26 06:34:52 UTC  

Okay but what do you mean otherwise you get anarchism with socialism

2017-11-26 06:34:55 UTC  

You don't make any sense

2017-11-26 06:35:33 UTC  

alright you cant have communism without socialism and you cant have socialism without capitalism

2017-11-26 06:35:48 UTC  

socialism is supposed to be the transitional period from capitalism to communism

2017-11-26 06:36:00 UTC  

Correct

2017-11-26 06:36:11 UTC  

However there's an intermediate stage between capitalism and socialism

2017-11-26 06:36:22 UTC  

im sure there is

2017-11-26 06:36:29 UTC  

and also between socialism and communism

2017-11-26 06:36:34 UTC  

No

2017-11-26 06:36:36 UTC  

There isn't

2017-11-26 06:36:39 UTC  

explain

2017-11-26 06:37:10 UTC  

Capitalism ---> Dictatorship of the proletariat ---> Socialism (lower stage communism) ---> Higher stage communism

2017-11-26 06:37:34 UTC  

what is this dictatorship of the proletariat

2017-11-26 06:37:42 UTC  

is this supposed to be the violent revolution

2017-11-26 06:37:46 UTC  

When the proletariat seizes political power

2017-11-26 06:38:06 UTC  

The USSR was DoTP until stalin

2017-11-26 06:38:45 UTC  

so yes from this point the proletariat takes power ok

2017-11-26 06:39:09 UTC  

so now they enact socialist type policies through heavier regulations and nationalizing businesses

2017-11-26 06:39:39 UTC  

this works in the short term, as does all government intervention

2017-11-26 06:39:42 UTC  

All means of production are nationalized

2017-11-26 06:39:50 UTC  

And there is worker control of industry

2017-11-26 06:40:00 UTC  

But money and the law of value still exists

2017-11-26 06:40:09 UTC  

that it does

2017-11-26 06:40:15 UTC  

and commodity production to an extent

2017-11-26 06:40:16 UTC  

alright so everything is now nationalized

2017-11-26 06:40:30 UTC  

and people are still working and trading with money

2017-11-26 06:40:37 UTC  

Correct

2017-11-26 06:40:55 UTC  

people are still being fed well and people in the lower classes now get richer

2017-11-26 06:41:08 UTC  

more people overall are in a healthier state of living

2017-11-26 06:41:15 UTC  

socialism works in the short term

2017-11-26 06:41:37 UTC  

Well socialism in the broad sense and socialism in terms of marxism are different

2017-11-26 06:42:06 UTC  

i understand there is a difference between marxist leninist and marxism

2017-11-26 06:42:34 UTC  

What does this have to do with anything