venezuela is currently in this process

@olev

Lmao venezuela is 70% private

Hold on a second

I'll explain this but I'm preoccupied

venezuela has been a transitional socialist state for a long time

the regulations it imposes on its citizens is immense

plus nationalization of important resources has led to massive food shortages and inflation

it's the regulations on the "private" businesses that's really killing them

the goal is to "nationalize" through regulations

it has essentially the same effects

Government regulations aren't socialism

they are essentially the same concept

government tells the private sector what to do

Okay so you literally don't know what socialism is

i do know what socialism is

i also know that real socialism has never been tried

and i also know that real socialism is impossible to achieve

without the use of the force of the state

which inevitably causes its collapse

How does the state cause it to collapse

because in order to bring the power to the workers the state must abolish any and all dissent and nationalize the industries

otherwise, you get anarchism

this doesnt sound that bad on paper

but in practice, whatever the state can do the private sector can do better

They don't need to suppress dissent unless it's physical action

What do you mean otherwise you get anarchism

Your analysis is fucking flimsy and stupid

well by dissent i also mean people creating industries and capitalistic practices and whatnot

You're just regurgitating stupid shit you've heard elsewhere

you get anarchism with no government

Sure

is this a debate

Okay but what do you mean otherwise you get anarchism with socialism

You don't make any sense

alright you cant have communism without socialism and you cant have socialism without capitalism

socialism is supposed to be the transitional period from capitalism to communism

Correct

However there's an intermediate stage between capitalism and socialism

im sure there is