What is the oxford dictionary definition for misguided

`Having or showing faulty judgement or reasoning.`

Correct

Does the imply subjectivity?

judgement is subjective

What's the definition of judgement

An opinion or conclusion.

Is that the oxford dictionary conclusion?

'The ability to make considered decisions or come to sensible conclusions.'

for the count noun, yes

The mass noun would be correct for usage, the example provided showcases this: '‘an error of judgement’

which is subjective

either way lol

some judgements *can be* objective

Right

Regardless, my case works in the case of 'reasoning'

many people would come to the conclusion that not all religious people are brainwashed

therefore it is not objective

1 + 1 = 2 is subjective, opinion is not relevant

for example

Depends on what the terms can be extrapolated to mean

so, it is an opinion of individuals that religious people are brainwashed

not an objective fact

in order for that to be objective, you'd need to disprove the existence of a creator without a reasonable doubt

misguided is, in my opinion, a more appropriate word

Yes but to the extent towards the right facts are deployed it can be stated that those who are worshipping gods are making an error of judgement as they believe that there is fact showcasing the existence of god when there isn't fact to show that this fact is linked to the existence of god.

And no

That's not how the burden of proof works

neither side can prove or disprove

Which is why I never claim god doesn't exist

there really is no possibility of a burden of proof

you're entitled to your opinion 😉

Why so?

because neither side has the ability to prove their side or disprove the other side

Why do they lack this ability?

it's not a worthwhile argument to have

What makes it not worthwhile?

I claim it is misguided; 'an error of judgement' to assume that there are facts pointing towards the objective existence of god, worshipping is an act derived from belief in the conditioned existence of god, I question why people should be conditioned to such a belief?

prove to me that God doesn't exist

you can't, just like I can't prove that He does

I can't because I lack the evidence

not because I lack the ability

I have the tools to do so

no evidence = no ability to disprove

In the same way you can't disprove the tooth fairy, but I suppose this is another opinion.

do you, though? Nobody has disproven the existence of God

You might

you might not

🤷

Well they have disproved the Abrahamic god's capacity for all-power, all-knowledge, all-mercy

with respect, that's word salad lol

I assume you're familiar with the 'god can't create a rock that he can't move'

There’s no evidence either way, so the logical assumption is to assume the negative as the negative side is passive. The active side has the burden of proof.

Right

And the passive side is that we don't know and shouldn't take it as fact, so it isn't worthy of humouring

Otherwise we'd pray to every magical being ever, do every irrational thing ever.

in a traditional argument, absolutely

this is a discussion about the existence of a deity lol

So?

The main issue with the existence of god is that it’s a spiritualistic argument. So the most logical position is agnosticism

Should I disregard every 'traditional argument' because it regards X thing I believe to be greater than the rest of NOT X things?

Most atheists in practice are agnostics who assume the negative rather than default

that's what I was trying to get at, thank you @wiping account (DM for more info

it's a pointless discussion

Yes, I never claim to disprove god...

no offense Romerlin :P

Don't try to weasle out big boi

It’s only pointless when both already realize that god can’t be proven

I claim to argue that worshipping god is ubsurd

Because it can’t be proven right?

Yes, it can't be proven or empirically shown so why should it be humoured?

if something can be neither proven or disproven, it follows that any assessment should be treated as an opinion

until absolute evidence is found to back up either side

Then I suppose I'm of the opinion that all Christians are brainwashed and the tooth fairy is sucking my dick on Tuesday. Perhaps I can point towards the sins of christian society?

Every society has sins, that'd be a waste of typing

Then why do the same of any idea?

some worse than others, a few horrendously worse

Why do the same for state socialists or even statism?

May I direct your attention to my PFP

Okay..?

That doesn't answer my question

I reject the state

Why should you?

if you can't point towards what they've done wrong?

it's an inherently violent institution

and I am not a violent person :P

you can't do that, that'd be a waste of typing

'every society has sins'

yes, because they are made up of flawed individuals

Oh really? That's rich, but that's just your opinion right?

allowing a handful of the worst of those flawed individuals have authority over others is a travesty

yes, it's absolutely my opinion

I suppose it's all just opinion in the end, it's not like we can logically derive our course of action from our goals and have them be objectively true for said set of goals? Nah just opinion.

most things are subjective, yes indeed

**we can logically derive our course of action from our goals and have them be objectively true for said set of goals**

that's not objective though, it's specific to each individual's goals

It's an objective way of attaining ones goals..

Logic is a way of constructing truth conserving statements

but it's not, because someone else may achieve the same goal in a different way

Then there are multiple solutions, yet the contrary cannot be the case