Message from @Larbi
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so, it is an opinion of individuals that religious people are brainwashed
not an objective fact
in order for that to be objective, you'd need to disprove the existence of a creator without a reasonable doubt
misguided is, in my opinion, a more appropriate word
Yes but to the extent towards the right facts are deployed it can be stated that those who are worshipping gods are making an error of judgement as they believe that there is fact showcasing the existence of god when there isn't fact to show that this fact is linked to the existence of god.
And no
That's not how the burden of proof works
neither side can prove or disprove
Which is why I never claim god doesn't exist
there really is no possibility of a burden of proof
you're entitled to your opinion 😉
Why so?
because neither side has the ability to prove their side or disprove the other side
Why do they lack this ability?
it's not a worthwhile argument to have
What makes it not worthwhile?
I claim it is misguided; 'an error of judgement' to assume that there are facts pointing towards the objective existence of god, worshipping is an act derived from belief in the conditioned existence of god, I question why people should be conditioned to such a belief?
prove to me that God doesn't exist
you can't, just like I can't prove that He does
I can't because I lack the evidence
I have the tools to do so
no evidence = no ability to disprove
In the same way you can't disprove the tooth fairy, but I suppose this is another opinion.
do you, though? Nobody has disproven the existence of God
You might
you might not
🤷
Well they have disproved the Abrahamic god's capacity for all-power, all-knowledge, all-mercy
with respect, that's word salad lol
I assume you're familiar with the 'god can't create a rock that he can't move'
There’s no evidence either way, so the logical assumption is to assume the negative as the negative side is passive. The active side has the burden of proof.
Right
And the passive side is that we don't know and shouldn't take it as fact, so it isn't worthy of humouring
Otherwise we'd pray to every magical being ever, do every irrational thing ever.
in a traditional argument, absolutely
this is a discussion about the existence of a deity lol
So?
The main issue with the existence of god is that it’s a spiritualistic argument. So the most logical position is agnosticism
Should I disregard every 'traditional argument' because it regards X thing I believe to be greater than the rest of NOT X things?
Most atheists in practice are agnostics who assume the negative rather than default