Message from @Larbi

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2019-08-17 21:36:26 UTC  

so, it is an opinion of individuals that religious people are brainwashed

2019-08-17 21:36:38 UTC  

not an objective fact

2019-08-17 21:36:58 UTC  

in order for that to be objective, you'd need to disprove the existence of a creator without a reasonable doubt

2019-08-17 21:37:20 UTC  

misguided is, in my opinion, a more appropriate word

2019-08-17 21:38:15 UTC  

Yes but to the extent towards the right facts are deployed it can be stated that those who are worshipping gods are making an error of judgement as they believe that there is fact showcasing the existence of god when there isn't fact to show that this fact is linked to the existence of god.

2019-08-17 21:38:18 UTC  

And no

2019-08-17 21:38:23 UTC  

That's not how the burden of proof works

2019-08-17 21:38:46 UTC  

neither side can prove or disprove

2019-08-17 21:38:55 UTC  

Which is why I never claim god doesn't exist

2019-08-17 21:38:59 UTC  

there really is no possibility of a burden of proof

2019-08-17 21:39:13 UTC  

you're entitled to your opinion 😉

2019-08-17 21:39:24 UTC  

Why so?

2019-08-17 21:40:00 UTC  

because neither side has the ability to prove their side or disprove the other side

2019-08-17 21:40:09 UTC  

Why do they lack this ability?

2019-08-17 21:40:12 UTC  

it's not a worthwhile argument to have

2019-08-17 21:40:19 UTC  

What makes it not worthwhile?

2019-08-17 21:40:20 UTC  

I claim it is misguided; 'an error of judgement' to assume that there are facts pointing towards the objective existence of god, worshipping is an act derived from belief in the conditioned existence of god, I question why people should be conditioned to such a belief?

2019-08-17 21:40:24 UTC  

prove to me that God doesn't exist

2019-08-17 21:40:33 UTC  

you can't, just like I can't prove that He does

2019-08-17 21:40:35 UTC  

I can't because I lack the evidence

2019-08-17 21:40:40 UTC  

not because I lack the ability

2019-08-17 21:40:47 UTC  

I have the tools to do so

2019-08-17 21:41:00 UTC  

no evidence = no ability to disprove

2019-08-17 21:41:15 UTC  

In the same way you can't disprove the tooth fairy, but I suppose this is another opinion.

2019-08-17 21:41:19 UTC  

do you, though? Nobody has disproven the existence of God

2019-08-17 21:41:47 UTC  

You might

2019-08-17 21:41:50 UTC  

you might not

2019-08-17 21:41:52 UTC  

🤷

2019-08-17 21:42:05 UTC  

Well they have disproved the Abrahamic god's capacity for all-power, all-knowledge, all-mercy

2019-08-17 21:42:31 UTC  

with respect, that's word salad lol

2019-08-17 21:42:36 UTC  

I assume you're familiar with the 'god can't create a rock that he can't move'

2019-08-17 21:42:36 UTC  

There’s no evidence either way, so the logical assumption is to assume the negative as the negative side is passive. The active side has the burden of proof.

2019-08-17 21:42:44 UTC  

Right

2019-08-17 21:42:56 UTC  

And the passive side is that we don't know and shouldn't take it as fact, so it isn't worthy of humouring

2019-08-17 21:43:10 UTC  

Otherwise we'd pray to every magical being ever, do every irrational thing ever.

2019-08-17 21:43:12 UTC  

in a traditional argument, absolutely

2019-08-17 21:43:22 UTC  

this is a discussion about the existence of a deity lol

2019-08-17 21:43:25 UTC  

So?

2019-08-17 21:43:46 UTC  

The main issue with the existence of god is that it’s a spiritualistic argument. So the most logical position is agnosticism

2019-08-17 21:43:47 UTC  

Should I disregard every 'traditional argument' because it regards X thing I believe to be greater than the rest of NOT X things?

2019-08-17 21:44:21 UTC  

Most atheists in practice are agnostics who assume the negative rather than default