Most atheists in practice are agnostics who assume the negative rather than default

that's what I was trying to get at, thank you @wiping account (DM for more info

it's a pointless discussion

Yes, I never claim to disprove god...

no offense Romerlin :P

Don't try to weasle out big boi

It’s only pointless when both already realize that god can’t be proven

I claim to argue that worshipping god is ubsurd

Because it can’t be proven right?

Yes, it can't be proven or empirically shown so why should it be humoured?

if something can be neither proven or disproven, it follows that any assessment should be treated as an opinion

until absolute evidence is found to back up either side

Then I suppose I'm of the opinion that all Christians are brainwashed and the tooth fairy is sucking my dick on Tuesday. Perhaps I can point towards the sins of christian society?

Every society has sins, that'd be a waste of typing

Then why do the same of any idea?

some worse than others, a few horrendously worse

Why do the same for state socialists or even statism?

May I direct your attention to my PFP

Okay..?

That doesn't answer my question

I reject the state

Why should you?

if you can't point towards what they've done wrong?

it's an inherently violent institution

and I am not a violent person :P

you can't do that, that'd be a waste of typing

'every society has sins'

yes, because they are made up of flawed individuals

Oh really? That's rich, but that's just your opinion right?

allowing a handful of the worst of those flawed individuals have authority over others is a travesty

yes, it's absolutely my opinion

I suppose it's all just opinion in the end, it's not like we can logically derive our course of action from our goals and have them be objectively true for said set of goals? Nah just opinion.

most things are subjective, yes indeed

**we can logically derive our course of action from our goals and have them be objectively true for said set of goals**

that's not objective though, it's specific to each individual's goals

It's an objective way of attaining ones goals..

Logic is a way of constructing truth conserving statements

but it's not, because someone else may achieve the same goal in a different way

Then there are multiple solutions, yet the contrary cannot be the case

We can map solutions to efficiency, limit it down

we can map solutions dialectically to environment and people and limit it down