Message from @Phobia

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2019-08-17 21:26:43 UTC  

to impose belief in something where there is nothing to suggest belief or contrary is 'not thinking clearly'

2019-08-17 21:27:06 UTC  

I am thinking very clearly, and nobody has forced their ideas or beliefs onto me

2019-08-17 21:27:21 UTC  

brainwashing necessarily requires a 2nd *human* party

2019-08-17 21:27:26 UTC  

Right

2019-08-17 21:27:33 UTC  

How about did you come across your faith?

2019-08-17 21:27:37 UTC  

freely choosing to believe something is not a form of brainwashing

2019-08-17 21:27:49 UTC  

you could say I'm misguided

2019-08-17 21:27:52 UTC  

but that's an opinion

2019-08-17 21:28:10 UTC  

I'd argue it's a statement considering there isn't evidence for the position

2019-08-17 21:28:32 UTC  

evidence and facts aren't relevant here

2019-08-17 21:28:37 UTC  

Why so?

2019-08-17 21:28:51 UTC  

can you be brainwashed into believing something false?

2019-08-17 21:29:08 UTC  

or brainwashed into NOT believing something false?

2019-08-17 21:29:24 UTC  

Both

2019-08-17 21:29:43 UTC  

Assuming your definition

2019-08-17 21:29:51 UTC  

But I was referring to 'that's an opinion'

2019-08-17 21:30:18 UTC  

I retract brainwashed for indoctrinated or 'misguided'

2019-08-17 21:30:30 UTC  

thinking that someone is misguided is subjective

2019-08-17 21:30:43 UTC  

therefore I relegate it to the realm of opinions

2019-08-17 21:30:57 UTC  

What is the oxford dictionary definition for misguided

2019-08-17 21:31:49 UTC  

`Having or showing faulty judgement or reasoning.`

2019-08-17 21:31:54 UTC  

Correct

2019-08-17 21:32:00 UTC  

Does the imply subjectivity?

2019-08-17 21:32:25 UTC  

judgement is subjective

2019-08-17 21:32:41 UTC  

What's the definition of judgement

2019-08-17 21:33:01 UTC  

An opinion or conclusion.

2019-08-17 21:33:15 UTC  

Is that the oxford dictionary conclusion?

2019-08-17 21:33:28 UTC  

'The ability to make considered decisions or come to sensible conclusions.'

2019-08-17 21:33:29 UTC  

for the count noun, yes

2019-08-17 21:34:35 UTC  

The mass noun would be correct for usage, the example provided showcases this: '‘an error of judgement’

2019-08-17 21:34:47 UTC  

which is subjective

2019-08-17 21:34:50 UTC  

either way lol

2019-08-17 21:35:11 UTC  

some judgements *can be* objective

2019-08-17 21:35:15 UTC  

Right

2019-08-17 21:35:32 UTC  

Regardless, my case works in the case of 'reasoning'

2019-08-17 21:35:45 UTC  

many people would come to the conclusion that not all religious people are brainwashed

2019-08-17 21:35:51 UTC  

therefore it is not objective

2019-08-17 21:36:07 UTC  

1 + 1 = 2 is subjective, opinion is not relevant

2019-08-17 21:36:09 UTC  

for example

2019-08-17 21:36:24 UTC  

Depends on what the terms can be extrapolated to mean

2019-08-17 21:36:26 UTC  

so, it is an opinion of individuals that religious people are brainwashed