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thats why an election is happening to turf the cancer that is causing the issues
you know... the remoaners
like labour
and the libdems
drain the swamp if you please
If Labour is a remain party. That means there's a remain majority in parliament right now..
In terms of both seats and of votes <:hypersmugon:544638648721604608>
not all of labour are leave. but the highest up people are
Ironic how you talk about places being "undemocratic"
my MP is a labour rebel
Still, a remain majority
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And here you are, telling me the EU is "undemocratic" <:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586>
thats the issue with first past the post
Now THAT is funny.
thats because it is
Remain majority, yet you're pushing for a policy a majority of people do not want
Undemocratic much?
Jacobinmag?
the guardian doesnt count
as a source
buddy
Then neither does that one
i know you love the guardian
Sorry love.
xD
Sorry, that source doesn't count
Same reason you don't like the Guardian
Anything related to Ash Sarkar and Owen Jones
A reminder. That the EU has no way for any elected representative to put forward legislation.
is...
not a source
that too
Eh, they can recommend legislation, but really it doesn't matter @Shai'tan
It does if the body wants to pass laws in the first place
If a majority of them pool and recommend it, then it will get created and passed to them
the commission isnt democratically elected
So?
That's an assumption. Not a guarantee
its elected by the heads of states
The 'commission' is the civil service of the EU. The civil service in the UK aren't elected, I don't see you complaining about them
In my country is is assumed the queen will give royal assent to our laws. That is also not a garente.
Garente
you mean guarantee?
*guarantee
I have work to do
for now ill just go afk
Where are you from? @Shai'tan
Canada. As part of the commonwealth agreement and the separation from the British Empire. The queen remains our head of state symbolicly, and has someone appointed In our government to give her royal assent to any law we attempt to pass.
You have a queens representitive to do that now don't you?
I can't remember their title
Canada, home of the cuck Prime Minister
O>O
Governor general. If I recall. And if at any time she used her power she would find herself out of a job I assume. But the mere existance the position does cheapen the democracy of Canada. Not to mention the bloody first past the post system.
That sounds about right
thats another issue with fptp
it elected a majority remain government, in a country that voted leave. because the MPs even if they come from a leave area act like partisan hacks
instead of representing their constituency
Would the United States of Europe be governed like the Holy Roman Empire?
more USSR
xd
That shows the change in British views on the Brexit referendum
A majority support remain now.
no it doesnt...
If you want to look at the 2017 GE, you will see that remain parties gained MORE votes than leave ones.
We had a party( not one i like mind you) get 15%of the votes and 5% of seats
look at the numbers polled
@MikuChan Yes and No. We don't mind Sion to be the capital for the Cosmocratic State.
holy fuck...
thats pitiful
100 people or less
xD
Go look at them all
Also here:
You can see that remain parties gained MORE votes than leave ones.
Let me put it to you this way. The o my votes that matter In that pole are Germany and france
And Italy.
Of them, the only one with an increase that cant be rounded away as statistical noise from a small sample is Germany.
actually equal
tories 330. LibDems, Labour, SNP, Sin Fein 330
DUP made a coalition with the conservatives.
"remain had more seats"
nonsense
and I barely count the SNP to that
> "remain had more seats"
I never said that.
"You can see that remain parties gained MORE votes than leave ones."
> votes
Votes and seats are very different.
Seats are biased due to FPTP.
Votes, are not.
ok ill concede that, but the seats are equal
if you count snp
A larger amount of people voted for remain parties.
which is an outlier
and in polls and i take them with a pinch of salt, 7/11 polled areas
say cons are butchering labour
but then thats polls
so we'll wait and see
Labour are... a joke at the moment
holy fuck
given the political winds in France and Italy are favoring "Exit" parties and the UK is on its way out. that accounts for 2/3 of the Eu's net contributors, and about 70% of the budget.
and germany are on the brink of recession
spain, greece and italy... are fucked
interestingly the other major net contributor (the Netherlands) is not listed on any of the graphs.
it is also euroskeptic
and growing
i believe
if it were to hit the magic 50 and exit with the other 3 that would mean that 90% of the EU's funding would come from one country. Germany. Who at this moment would not be able to meet the poland and greece combined yet alone the other 14 net loss countries in the EU
they would have to lose the 5-6 biggest net takers from the EU just to break even again.
meaning betwean 9-10 of the 28 countries would be gone. atleast if they wanted to stay net positive.
the EU is on shaky ground
and thats good
it needs to die
a trade union is a trade union. a super national governing body is a super national governing body. One is a valuable tool, the other a bureaucratic nightmare. Do not allow one to become another, and should you find yourself in one, promptly dismantle it.
the problem is globalists see both as on a ladder, a trade union is quite literally one step away from a super national union
so if you have a trade union, you're not too far from an actual union
Bring me the glorious EU empire
no thanks
I'll stick with not having a bloated byzantine mess of a union
The last glorious eu empire didn't fare so well
The one before that neither
I think it just doesn't work <:smugon:512048583806025739>
Well, Empires rise and fall, that's nothing new.
But the Roman Empire lasted quite a while.
The Roman Empire was built on conquest and unopposed oppression.
Functionally speaking the Roman Empire worked. Morally speaking, eh.
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@ "Functionally speaking the Roman Empire worked. Morally speaking, eh."
To which :
"Roman taxes varied over time, but was generally a couple of percent on wealth, and sometimes also on sales. However, in the provinces they could not reliably tax in this way, and instead they put a levy on the whole province payable by the governor of the province, who in return got pretty much free reign in the province. So what he taxed and how much, was up to him.
In general Roman government was run as personal fiefs. Even armies were funded and run by the generals with their own personal money, and as a result the Roman gains were really their personal gains as well, it didn't end up in the state coffers, because there were no state coffers as such.
http://www.unrv.com/economy/roman-taxes.php
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/299558?uid=3738840&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&sid=21101954265801
The Roman empire was hilariously corrupt
And yes, there was all kinds of slavery too, freedom of speech was done completely differently as of today... Etc.
BUT
IMAGINE
Not being a slave
Paying only a couple percent 'tax' directly to the local provider
Oh.. And all local officials having to be economically responsible for all decisions they assist the population with
Hilariously corrupt as judged by modern standards.
Not really, the governor had a fixed term and it was basically a race to extort as much out of your province before the time ran out
Which is not a fair comparison.
Easy. No state "coffers' no headache
That said, the governing system of Rome was not fit for purpose, once Rome reached certain size.
I'd say Roman political thought was sophisticated enough to make the corruption unexcusable
What's not easy is to stop the human heart from 'naturally' levitating towards power in the absence of a happy childhood.
The governing system was unsustainable and Rome was doomed to fail sooner or later.
tbh the only empire that cam close to not being a corrupt mess was the British Empire
(unsustainable at that size)
Yeah Rome was over extended as hell
particularly in the west
I have a suspicion that looking at fall of Rome was one of the reasons for 2nd amendment.
i think thats a bit of a stetch imo
stretch
Could you explain?
The way the state/cohesion started falling apart once army professionalized.
The way the army/pretorian guard became the ultimate arbiter in later Rome.
That was largely due to state force being divorced from general populus.
hmm I'm gonna have to disagree I'd say they learnt the lesson that the military must be subject to the civil authority
not about an armed populace in general
Washington definitely understood the danger of a political military
If you read about fall of Rome, that's one of the lessons you should learn.
The military essentially seized power from about AD 100-200 onwards.
Yeah they definitely had way too much independent influence
especially as they started recruiting foreigners from outside the empire
You'd always get them coming down from Danube or Rhine down to Rome to install someone into power.
True
at the end of the empire the power was centred in the german border in the west
Trier i think it was
Whilst the east was getting beaten to hell and back by the Sassanids
Italy itself was not capable of defending against that, the people didn't have the capability and weren't trained (afaik in the times of the Republic, fathers had the obligation to train their sons to have some basic ability to fight in a Roman army)
yeah the med in general was demilitarised
The vandals managed to steal Africa with pretty much no resistance
but tbh I'm glad Rome fell, it was necessary really for Europe to advance
Will European Union fall?
No
Damn
The eu is anti democratic
No, since the power still lies with the people. We vote for MEPs whom are able to vote on legislation. We also, as states have a veto power on any legislation that we like.
The thing with the EU is that the people are dumb
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That is not true.
Qualified majority.
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Sorry fossil fuel shills, itโs coming to an end
yay can't wait to be forced to walk or have to take incredibly crowded public transport
while rich elitist cunts are able to buy the newest electric car
or have my wallet raped by insanely high taxs
i mean just how wonderful it is to have the middle class erased by insanely high taxs and for the Globalist elite of a demonic cult to run everything
honestly Globalists that Run the EU and other organisations are demon spawn them selves
there fucking cultist
well at least we agree the middle class' chief adversary are the elites, before peasant immigrants
Peasants chief adversary is the low skilled immigrant
@UltimateAgent25 Thank you for that quality shitpost, sir.
@tea_in_space My man, welcome, to the Real World!
This is what they want for Britain too, make no mistake, and as someone who is forced to use shitty public transport every day to get to the job I can tell you it ain't gonna look well in your country, too, but if you ask Greta, this is the price you have to pay in order to be able to live in a "green utopia" for everybody!
Remember, even you produce CO2 by every breath you take, so it might be good for the environment to erase you, too, for the better of the planet, you see.
Yes, we produce CO2, but thatโs a stupidly low amount
As Italy but now they are teaching climate change in school s
As they should. A smart idea.
Yikes
The Arabs lived in Peace in Sweden until the dirty smelly vikings stole their land and sold them into slavery in India
Paki is True Swede
bend immigrants to the country they are in, not the other way around
you mean kick them out
either or, i couldnt care less
listen here sheep man
diversity is a strength
Well too bad cos strength is weakness
if you beat your enemies then they win
"Die"versity
The thing is thou if you get rid of nations with their own cultural heritage? would that make the world less diverse? ๐ค
Reserect Gustav and Karl
@everyone
What did Tiger Woods even do?
Roger Stone***
Thanks, phone
That's a great autocorrect
Oh boy
Probably a clown.
thing is Weizsรคcker is not all that well known, most likely NOT politically motivated(heck i live here and am not actually sure what Weizsรคcker is known for... must have reigned more then 40 years ago)
oh wait President not Chancellor
that explains it, the office of president is 90% ceremonial in germany
the only actual job is singing laws that the Parliament has approved(they are supposed to also check them for blatant unlawfulness, but the last time that happened they "suddenly found something incriminating on him")
His father was the last broadly respected head of state and probably the brightest. The motive reported is hatred towards the entire family, which might include a political component.
So that's what she meant when she said they stole her childhood.
thats just the fetal alcohol syndrome talking
I agree
Letโs make circumsion illegal too
A babies bodily autonomy comes before religion
Jesus fucking Christ that video of the halal slaughter on the independent link on that tweet. I heard halal was inhumane but what the fuck. How the fuck is that allowed
This article if anyone cba clicking on two links
I'm more surprised few westerners know about how halal slaughter is really done. Slitting animals' throats while they're alive and conscious is fine for progressives because Jews and Muslims
And the worst part is, while the animal's dying, they read some squiggles at it
It's funny, as this is essentially the same way sacrifices for divination were carried out in Greece and Rome ... and possibly most of othe cultures nearby.
So they're performing a pagan ritual (by their own standards) every time they want a fresh roast.
And supposedly it makes meat "better tasting" lmao. As if it isn't done to satisfy psychopathy
That's the same kind of logic monsters in horror movies use while letting people run away before they eat them. <:smugon:512048583806025739>
Also since it's bleeding out, wouldn't the muscles get all stiff and shit from the death throes?
Surely you want your meat soft.
Or maybe the progressive islamic culture hasn't discovered that yet.
the majority have never tastes non-halal meat so how the fuck do they know it tastes better?
i guess just fucking retarded lefties going "haha yeah halal tastes so much better muslim culture is so beautiful ๐ anyway can i tell you how moral i am i'm going vegan next week!"
the difference between halal and non-halal is that they taser the animal before that, come on
the process of bleeding it out is pretty much the same mechanically
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