there

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@dsp fries it I think the types of people most likely survive any sort of collapse are the kinds of people who have their lives in order before the collapse. Besides, I dont think you need a discord channel to go be a survivalist in the woods, there are already a lot of people who are into that.

I don't want to be a hermit. I want our community to succede. That takes hard work and a white man's planning and ingenouitity. How will we survive if we depend entirely on a system that is rigged against white people?

is anyone saying we should?

Wait are you saying succeed? Or secede?

succede. session would be illegal.

I suck at spelling.

nobody is arguing for being entirely dependent on the system, it's just not a good strategy to act like the system will collapse literally any day now.

@dsp fries it don't matter once the government's fallen 👌

when you talk about "sleeping in the dirt" it makes us think you want to go live in the woods

@Orchid niggers and spics don't pay taxes. so, collapse will happen sooner or later. Sleeping the dirt meant that we'd be sleeping in tents while primitive housing is built. I look at the settlement founding as being similar to age of the empires where have to move from african tech to modern tech. It takes time and the first phase would be too unpleasant for women and children. My hope is that when all is said and done we'll have electricity, vidya and a safe communitity.

yeah like I said, im not interested in that

that's fine you can come later.

if you want to sleep in a tent, moe power to you, but I want to remain pragmatic

So, uh, what's the problem with buying somewhere which already has a building or two?

No problem other than cost.

ok, so it's not that you're against it on principle, you just think that the lower startup cost may warrant the tent version

fair enough

Yeah, houses are way cheaper if you build them yourself.

this is true, but that comes weighed against the startup time and initial group size

not that I'm saying either side of that decision is the better one, I have pretty much no info

Id rathers be no electro and whatnot to avoid paying taxes

No plumbing either

I dont plan on having that, only what im legally requires to have

I think legally i need a fire detector for a living permit

#buildingcodes

non-electric fire detectors?

dsp, fo you have any sort of experience in building houses and living in tents in general?

I was thinking about having the electrical connected to a battery, and not using it or using it suring necessity

smoke detectors are battery powered by design

the way I see it, is that a few guys move out, clear land and make cabins to live in. they get the site prepped for everybody else. The cabins aren't permenant, but rather a step in the chain of progression. @Orchid yes, I built a deck last year and have some experience working with dry wall and plumbing.

so that when the tree that falls through the power line into your house sets it on fire, you might not die

Crispy

@neetkthx they make wired smoke detecors that are hardwired into your house and therefore never need a new battery.

hickory smoked

@neetkthx I know, batteries a electrical

anyway, what's the issue with electricity and plumbing w/r/t taxes?

they still have a battery backup my friend

@chris#0919 you do realize wells can pump water without uncle sam. right?

Collecting rain water is illegal

And i wasnt talking about wells at all

@neetkthx The battery is a non-issuse if you buy the 10 year one.

for ten years, that is

You just need to buy a new one when the govt wants to check your living

but yes, i understand what you're getting at, but a smoke detector that only ran off of current would be dodgy, what with how many house fires are electrical

so, you'd need 5 batteries for your entire life assuming you live to seventy and are twenty now. that's not an issue.

"Collecting rain water is illegal"
land of the free 👏

@chris#0919 when is the government going to do that? Unless you have tenants or abuse your children they have no reason to check.

@Orlunu it's only in a few states in the west.

@dsp fries it or unless you're, say, part of a white sepratist movement they want to crack down on

we'd be lowkey, so no nazi flags or lynching trees. so, (((they))) probably wouldn't know we exsist.

No lynching?

damn

They already know we exist

anyway, I really wouldn't rely on not being found out as the only defence against a federal crackdown

I don't want to be set on fire by the ATF, so I personally won't be going to the compound with the rest of you. Cascade Front is a movement of peace, not violence.

What?

what compound?

I said to comply with the regulations so they don't have an excuse to kick the doors in

what the fuck did you take away from that?

that I wanted a shootout with them?

@Orchid The compound comment was to show how we shouldn't be so keen on fighting the government. I don't wanna be part of

Waco 2 electic boogaloo.

There is nothing violent about our objective

yes, you were very vague. thanks for clearing that up.

Tbh a huge problem we need to think about is how difficult it will be for dozens of us to buy land that is adjacent to eachother. Possibly solution is to have 1 person buy a LARGE area of land then divide it up and sell to individuals in our community. Hurdles to overcome with this method is to make sure that zoning property laws allow this in the location that we purchase land in, we would also need to make sure that each plot of land once sold can have homes legally built on it. We would need to create our own road system on this land as well

This is a highly regionally dependent issue. In many states there are vast amounts of land with little to no zoning regulations applicable.

It comes down to the county and wether or not we are part of a town or an unicorporated village. most county are okay with dividing large acreage up into small plots. the real problem is getting that land zoned in the first place.

would a contract to pool money for the large purchase and then sub-divide it in a pre-agreed manner not be the best of both worlds?

i.e. buy the land as a bloc with each person already having a defined portion

If that's what a group of you want to to, then I would say go for it.

Some will likely want to buy thier own land separate, but close.

most likely

depending on area, though, that could also be part of the same system

the problem is that some members don't want to build a communitiy but rather, move into an exsisting one.

so an initial high-area buy by a group followed by selling on sub-portions when it's further developed

Probably best method

the only problem that that would introduce is if you have too few people/little money for a large enough initial setup

and, tbh, I don't have a clue about that

All it takes is 1 wealthy person to get the ball rolling. Any by wealthy I mean like ~40k

generally the more acreage you buy the cheaper it gets. That fits in well with my idea of 10 acres per family. however, nobody can force anyone to buy into this plan.

really, all we need is somebody there with a measurable degree of sucess and we've cleared the largest hurdle. from there it's only a matter of showing it off, and funding and volunters will be pouring in.

if it's pre-arranged properly, it doesn't really matter if some people want more or less
everyone can just pay into the pot for their portion and get their portion out at the end

I strongly believe that if 1 person makes the plunge and buys 100 acres or something, it will be so easy for that person to sell off sub plots to people like us.

and, yes, I think that the biggest issue is the inital setup, which should seek to be as large an area as viable

and that can easily be further sold in sub-divisions as you progress, with a lot of growth room with minimum reliance on buying neighbouring land

all it takes is ten guys with $5,000 a piece and we'd be set, but nobody seems willing to put up the money. Personally, I can do $3,000 right now and $5,000 by march.

mmmh, I could come in now but I'm afraid I wouldn't be willing to make the move until at least my first term in the military is over, unless something drastic changes

if even one guy went out and bought 5 acres and got a few chickens. he could get thousands every month from hatereon from every /pol/tard who wants whites to succeed.

Would be willing to chip in an amount as a setup investment now and rent it out until then, though, if it actually looks like a major purchase is about to happen.

@dsp fries it pol suffers from purist and will always find a fault with anyone

Right, how's about we canvass now? Ask everyone here what they'd be willing to put down in the immediate future if that purchase looked imminent.

they'll say they're a kike, deep state, FBI, sjw, etc

Get an idea of what we're working with

I have no money so not much

@Roman Dreams yeah, a lot will
some will still donate
free extra income for the project

the varg and his dumb views. what about their love of the ever edgy styx. Most of /pol/ rides the short bus.

they love varg

I love and hate pol

I wish it would get shut down so I could stop browsing

@dsp fries it is varg just a youtubee who agrees with their opinions?

You'd be better off googling him. he's hard to describe. But, he has a similar setup to what some of us want.

I managed to get off pol a while ago in the midst of the lefty invasion

feels good mang

Varg?
Innawoods beardy natsoc pagan

iirc

You should be ready to pay atleast $3k per acre, and if you want to live off the land youll need probably need 5 - 10 acres, maybe more

Thats the price I got form browsing random listing on the internet

@Orchid the idea I have is to get something to take to hatreon and get a monthly income from that, then use that to expand and go from there. Thoughts?

who do you think will donate money for that?

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the guilible masses.

why?

mmmh, you'll get some income from the people who will financially support any viable pro-white movement they see, but possibly not much and it'd require a lot of exposure

they love throwing money at people for dumb shit all the time. With the right spin and meaningful progress I see no reason why this wouldn't work.

the other problem is that a small starting setup may be hard to expand

You really should be able to make the money yourself, because I doubt anyone is going to succeed in this without a consistent income or a large initial investment

I see many reasons why it wont work, or at least why we wont get more than beer money

Well, if you have a fulltime job, how are you going to make progress?

what would people gain out of giving you money?

What do they gain from giving money to richard spencer?

theres a big difference between us and the alt-right

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we are doing this for ourselves, not trying to change the course of american politics

they are a real organization, they have proof of concept, you don't.

they do stuff IRL, you don't.

@Belisarius did you not read the part about land and videos showing progress?

Is saving money, making a family and organizing not doing anything?

@dsp fries it which would lead to money turning up later, but not for the start, and it's unreliable to guess how much

not really rilath...

plenty of people are saving money and making a family

that wont make a good go-fund me page

Is that our strategy? A fundraiser?

by donating to the alt-right you are doing it under the impression that you can gain from them in the future, they can influence others like you into action for the betterment of your kind as a whole. Some ruby ridge settlement isn't going appeal to peoples wallets in the same way. also, once the settlement has taken place and is doing well, what will the money be for? who gets to decide what is done with the money?

this is what I was saying about the advantage of buying an area with a degree of development already in place, or buying and paying for a build
sure, it's more expensive, but it means that you can go there and carry on with your life, you don't have to spend that subsidised time setting everything up

how do you visualise your goals dsp, are you saying you wont have an income when youre building your homestead? How will you feed yourself?

@Belisarius then how would you move us from the planning stage to the action stage?

by giving ourselves enough time beforehand to prepare and save up money and resources. it's not that difficult to be patient if you are white.

I'm currently looking at places right now that have a large home and a lot of land. With the job offers I have it shouldn't be a problem and when the time comes I'd be willing to assist others financially if they need it, it a temp place to stay while they get up

Generally good startups already have progress made that they can show investors, because any startup that says "we cant do anything until you give us money" probably wont succeed. Everyone has fantasies, but you have to be willing to put your money where your mouth is if you want to get anything done

I don't understand what is so difficult about working hard for a few years, finishing school, saving money, gathering equipment, etc. in preparation so that you don't need any outside help at all.

we don't need to be jewish

(multiple people typing, nobody posting 🤔 )

Doesnt show me that anybody is typing...

since i posted it i have seen DSP and muscleman

typing

i had a stroke and was laying on my space bar sorry

keek

I really want to understand how you visualise your plan here @dsp fries it , your idea is to set up a tent in the forest and build your house, even though you only have a little bit of carpentry experience. How will you feed yourself, do you have experience with farming/fishing/hunting? What happens during winter?

@Orchid you're completely overthinking it. we will rely on the generosity of others to provide for us.

the lauren southern approach

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kek

Is anybody typing or did this conversation just hit a brick wall?

dsp has been typing on and off for while, i've just been circling like a vulture around an african child

the anticipation is killing me

I wouldn't worry about it, it normally takes people time to have a conversation while playing vidya

homesteading + fishing and farming isn't as easy IRL as it is in Stardew Valley.

i dont begrudge any man his personal dream, but we're not about that life here, theres not going to be a vote for mud huts vs heated floors, this is the heated floors discord, those that want it will stay, and participate, and when we're ready, will be included in the process

we're betting on the US lasting a bit longer than some here, a slow decline

i'm absolutely fascinated by traditional joinery and carpentry, but im not selling my table saw

Sorry I've had "a" typed for the last 30 minutes lmao. Pocket typed it

keek

I agree with @neetkthx. Fact is this community/movement doesn't work unless we bring women on board. Women will not live in mud huts.

it really comes down to the idea of interfacing with an outside population or not

no city on earth wants 200 single virgin white nationalists to move in next door

within a month they'll be aping kkk rallies out of boredom and one-upsmanship

you bring 200 stable family units to a township that has likely been on a 20 year decline in both population and economic growth, it becomes a different story

and 200 is just a dumb number im using here, feel free to sub in 12 or 20000 whatever

the other issue is of money, theres a big difference between coming into a place, buying a large parcel, developing it, etc, and buying 5 acres and raising chickens

I think people who are interested in doing something like this need to be able to use pragmatism, most LARPing can be avoided by the offenders asking themselves one little question, "why?" if you can't answer that question in relation to your idea then you should either A) throw out that idea because it's garbage, or B) try to prove it and understand, if you can't, start from A.

no one wants to live next to nuclear reactors, garbage dumps or hippie communes

if you want to go off the paranoid deep end as well, its a lot harder to justify WACOing a beautifully developed gated community vs them burning down your prepper cabin in the woods

'these well to do white people dont want minorities to move in next door to them' what a fucking news scoop that is

next you'll tell me that country clubs dont let in black people on purpose

i realize i may as well be a discord quote bot at this point, but no one is dragging up a shipping container, rv or mobile home next to my dream house

it violates the nap, and ill hide your body in the deep woods, where dsp lives

Since we're just tossing shit here's my ideal: modest, picturesque half-timber and stone cottages each on their own half acre or acre property, with their own gardens, dotted along a south facing slope hillside. These would be built sustainably, we'd incorporate permaculture techniques, and learning skills to maintain that lifestyle independent of the modern world... this doesn't meant we don't have contact with it or we don't use plastic bags or the internet. We'd have all of that. But we just wouldn't be dependent on it. It would be a mixture of the hobbits and the elves of lord of the rings. We'd basically be techno-amish.

An acre isnt much though, can you survive on that?

you can, as long as you arent trying to be 100% self sufficient

watch gone with the wind, you can find my dream home in that architecture

So we need to be married before moving right?

Well no, its not a requirement

but would be nice

Well, I don‘t think a lot of women will move there on their own...

you could move there and then import eastern european bride

NO THOTTS ALLOWED

realistically, seeking a mate is part and parcel with sorting your life out

but we'll be in a town, or right outside it, and commute distance to a city, so there'll be oppurtunity

but if you cant lock one down there, whats the chances that a venue change will help

From my experiences most people that seek mates seem to do so as compensation for a life they do not have sorted out.

It just happens

@Narylimepie Why are all of your opinions so poorly formed and degenerate? And why can't you defend them properly when someone challenges you?

Sounds like a MGTOW, finding a mate is pretty much the ultimate purpose in life

Yeah... MGTOW is literally the most bluepilled mindset you can possibly have as a man

Sure, finding a good woman is hard today. Does that mean you should just give up like a beta cuck?

Finding a good woman is easy if you involve yourself where good women go

Ive been a part of many nazi groups with single traditional women, infact i met my current from a nazi group

A lot of tiny, practically invisible towns like this in the region. Would be pretty awesome to find one where much of the property sites were for sale.

Some of them seem to be practically giving away large portions of the town.

My only concerns are 1. The winter would be terrible 2. We'd be hours from even a mid sized city which could support jobs 3. What the water situation is. In the future, access to clean fresh water will be the biggest concern most people will have

>tfw outside job in a place that regularly hits -50c

Tfw america is nearly only 50% white including the white demographics from small towns

None of my opinions are degenerate and I can defend them perfectly fine if I feel like I need to

This place however is p degenerate. Like..6-7/10

What about it is degenerate

Oh sorry, I got mixed up. Paul was on a mutual server I was on and I was actually mainly referring to things from that server.

ah

ive been looking around Soda Springs Idaho, it's really nice and cheap there https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/pmf,pf_pt/globalrelevanceex_sort/42.865648,-111.378365,42.466779,-111.86657_rect/10_zm/

Nice