it seriously depends

if you're neeting it up hardcore in the middle of nowhere, maybe

once you are looking at even a small community growing, it gets a lot easier, you need a lot less land

theres a pretty vibrant small scale farming community on the jewtubes, look at urban farming for small footprint stuff, check out polyface farms for alternative ranching ideas

joel salatin is probably a nut, but he runs a successful ranch in a sustainable manner

an acre is a lot of land

if you are growing wheat or corn, sure, acreage is key

t. farmers son, for what its worth

where in fl

north or south

dmac, the issue with developing shitty land, is that by the time you're done, you've invested more into it than good land would have cost

if i could turn 3000 an acre land into 20k an acre land for less than 17k... well

oh i dont really care about where whatever is, im just saying, theres a reason undeveloped land stays undeveloped

depends on what you want out of it

the point is likely that this discord is literally called cascade front/is dedicated to the pnw dealio

ill come larp with you there too

nero, yeah, basically in small farming communities it breaks out like that, if we arent talking about going full luddite or assuming that america falls apart tomorrow, most folks can get by with a victory garden that produces the interesting parts of their meals, while your full time farmers will grow staple crops/ranch animals/manage orchards

most broadleaf salad greens grow fast and expire/bolt quickly, so everyone growing spinach is silly

with things like tomatoes/squash/cukes, you are looking at canning/pickling to preserve them

taters are conditionable, beans/corn are dryable, wheat is storable, but you need an exponential amount of land for those

a lot of these infogormphics assume that you're just going to grow what you eat now, ie a shitload of corn and wheat

even living a 'simpler' life, you'd probably have a half acre at best of farmed land, some chickens in a chicken tractor, and you'd supliment your diet with weekly visits to the farmers market to sell your excess/socialize with people

i dont particularly ascribe to the 'build a huwhite community in the wilderness and relearn how to make the wheel' ideal that tends to get thrown around

it might be the american in me, but damn if im more than a couple hours from a costco thats probably a no go

and this is coming from someone who has raised chickens from chick to processing

im unwilling to walk too far backwards

the urban farming stuff on the tubes is great info for what can be done on an acre, and what an acre actually looks like, curtis green is a hippie fuck, but he actually works his plots in most of his vids, and i think he's still under an acre total

curtis stone, excuse me

understand that his business model preys on hipsters

but its still valid if you're close enough to a big city

he cash crops salad greens and rare-ish veggies mostly for upscale restaurant consumption

you also have jean-martin fortier who mass markets on >10 acres in quebec

haha nope

their appeal is organic no-till

the reason jm fortier makes bank is because they can advertise as full organic, they dont even use a tractor to prep beds

the really nice thing about a lot of the urban guys, is that you have to grow holistically in those locations or you burn out your soil immediately

your backyard suburban lot doesnt have 200 years of loam in it to suck dry, so you have to take different steps

i mean, the big farm guys could do this too, but its economy of scale

if you have 1000 acres of corn, if you cant get a linear return on investment(money or time), you arent going to do it

these dudes working small land, they dont have the option or manpower to just buy more land and plant more crops

1000 acre guy isnt going to spend 900 bucks to make 905 bucks, not when he can just crank up the john deere cornfucker 9000 and print subsidy money

right

and no one really cares about organic corn, or if farmer moneybags used a clean fert or not

chemical ferts arent satan, they're just really easy to use as a crutch

i think that monocropping on a large scale is the underlying concern behind the increaing lack of arribility in US farmland

this falls back to a basically unsolvable governmental issue of farm subsidy

in life, once an easy solution to a problem has been implimented, you're never going to be able to take it away or go back to the hard solution

the corn subsidy ensures that we have X amount of corn every year, because fuck we eat a lot of corn products

however, we actually get X+Y every year, because that guarenteed money from the subsidy outprices and outcompetes large farms taking risks on other crops

so, how do you tell the guys producing Y to fuck off?

you cant

you cant choose who you subsidize

you are subsidising the crop, not the farmer

this is why there's corn ethanol in your gasoline btw

gotta do something with those doritos that werent

most farmers are up to their fucking eyeballs in debt

all they CAN worry about is making payments

well yeah, its gibs

but everyone wants gibs from their reps

you gonna vote for someone who says 'fuck this state we live in im going to washington and when they start handing out money im not gonna ask for a cent to help our people out'

its not like your state rep is up on capitol hill with a gun robbing the government

heres the amount of money the government is going to spend on the states this year, you want some of this money or nah?

its money the government has collected from your citizens as tax, after all

shits complicated man

realistically, you want your rep to ask for money to go to good causes, instead of bridges to nowhere

but do you want a rep who doesnt bring home ANY new jobs or money, or ones that bring home some jobs and money

the first one is a bad husband, divorce him

well, yeah, but thats human history

dunbar's number is a thing

my people tried that idea a while back

:dixie:

i think that the small government conservative states rights folks definitely have it closer to correct than the alternatives, but no system is perfect

its incredibly hard to vote with your feet these days though, and that is one of the appeals of states rights

dont like what the state's doing? move to one that better aligns with your views

but man thats an expensive suggestion

yeah, sort of

Early 30s, heart of dixie, wasp, tradesman, farmer's son. able to lay brick, work concrete, framing carpentry, experience with aquaculture. Hobbies are guns, God and arguing with people on the internet

not on discord at least

you have the 'midwest reich' and there are some groups that are for appalachia, but i dont know that they are on discord

if you want your ethno-community to really succeed, be sure to put a little hitler right on the packaging

like, there's larping, then theres (((larping)))

they still post a midwest general a few times a week

in some form or another

at least, i have a hard time believing that there are two distinct WN ethnostate groups both larping about the midwest

someone finally sacked up and asked if calling yourself the reich was a great advertising idea or no

the people that most want to visit hitlerworld amusement park are the ones you least want to live next door to

(you get a little stache instead of mouse ears)

this is a billion dollar idea boys

theres a lot of internet history to learn from in regards to the free state project, as to people picking up and overtly moving to a place with political intentions in mind

whats your primary purpose, and do you live a cucked state or no

if you want a voodoo totem that lives under your bed and makes you feel safe a shotgun is fine

if you want to do anything fun with it, skip the shotgun

theres definitely the argument that you can hunt with the shotgun, and i dove hunt with one every year, but my bird gun would be hilariously shit at home defense

theres the edge case of 3 gun competition, but 3 gun means you're shopping for all 3, and id still put the shotgun second or last

if you live in a must issue state or a state that doesnt make you jump through hoops for shall issue ccw, get a pistol first imho

(also get your permit and carry it)

(always carry it)

unfortunately i dont think theres a real answer to 'da bes pistol' as it comes down to handfeel and comfort

best entry level 556 is stupid easy right now, get an m&p sport 2, they're basically giving them away