I suck at spelling.

nobody is arguing for being entirely dependent on the system, it's just not a good strategy to act like the system will collapse literally any day now.

@dsp fries it don't matter once the government's fallen 👌

when you talk about "sleeping in the dirt" it makes us think you want to go live in the woods

@Orchid niggers and spics don't pay taxes. so, collapse will happen sooner or later. Sleeping the dirt meant that we'd be sleeping in tents while primitive housing is built. I look at the settlement founding as being similar to age of the empires where have to move from african tech to modern tech. It takes time and the first phase would be too unpleasant for women and children. My hope is that when all is said and done we'll have electricity, vidya and a safe communitity.

yeah like I said, im not interested in that

that's fine you can come later.

if you want to sleep in a tent, moe power to you, but I want to remain pragmatic

So, uh, what's the problem with buying somewhere which already has a building or two?

No problem other than cost.

ok, so it's not that you're against it on principle, you just think that the lower startup cost may warrant the tent version

fair enough

Yeah, houses are way cheaper if you build them yourself.

this is true, but that comes weighed against the startup time and initial group size

not that I'm saying either side of that decision is the better one, I have pretty much no info

Id rathers be no electro and whatnot to avoid paying taxes

No plumbing either

I dont plan on having that, only what im legally requires to have

I think legally i need a fire detector for a living permit

#buildingcodes

non-electric fire detectors?

dsp, fo you have any sort of experience in building houses and living in tents in general?

I was thinking about having the electrical connected to a battery, and not using it or using it suring necessity

smoke detectors are battery powered by design

the way I see it, is that a few guys move out, clear land and make cabins to live in. they get the site prepped for everybody else. The cabins aren't permenant, but rather a step in the chain of progression. @Orchid yes, I built a deck last year and have some experience working with dry wall and plumbing.

so that when the tree that falls through the power line into your house sets it on fire, you might not die

Crispy

@neetkthx they make wired smoke detecors that are hardwired into your house and therefore never need a new battery.

hickory smoked

@neetkthx I know, batteries a electrical

anyway, what's the issue with electricity and plumbing w/r/t taxes?

they still have a battery backup my friend

@chris#0919 you do realize wells can pump water without uncle sam. right?

Collecting rain water is illegal

And i wasnt talking about wells at all

@neetkthx The battery is a non-issuse if you buy the 10 year one.

for ten years, that is

You just need to buy a new one when the govt wants to check your living

but yes, i understand what you're getting at, but a smoke detector that only ran off of current would be dodgy, what with how many house fires are electrical

so, you'd need 5 batteries for your entire life assuming you live to seventy and are twenty now. that's not an issue.

"Collecting rain water is illegal"
land of the free 👏

@chris#0919 when is the government going to do that? Unless you have tenants or abuse your children they have no reason to check.