Most of my studies has been on the post world war two history of Asian countires

I know a lot about Ireland, It gained its riches from good trade relations, low corporate tax making tons of beef then spent the money gained on educating people and thus also leading in the pharmaceutical industry. Summed up very simplisticly and shortly

Not saying it couldn't be done, but I don't think that what worked for Ireland would be entirely relevant to what could work for the American south. Just Texas alone is 10 times the size of Ireland and a thousand times bigger than Singapore

Yeah I get what you mean, when it comes to industralisation obv the larger the harder

it is to do

Did you know that the legend of Saint Patrick was about the man who drove the original black inhabitants out of Ireland

Ireland was originally an afro-centric colony thats why they are so good at making music

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I'm fairly certain that's wrong, you got a source on that? From what I know it's about him driving the druids from Ireland and converting the people to Catholicism since he believed that the druids were "snakes" as in symbols of evil/charlatans

Source: I'm irish

Have fun 🙃
http://afroperspectives.com/st-patricks-day-decoded/

Those kind of theories quite fascinating me, where you look at author you cannot be sure how much of it its trolling and how much is actually beliving that shit.

Really? That's strange, I've never heard of the Twa people before and my granddad is very into his Irish history, so it's just a little surprising to me.

Yeah, AskHistorians is saying the Twa people being from Ireland was a myth invented around the 1800s-1900s

Website you linked is batshit insane, tho, omg

"Black people celebrating because of genetic memory" Nah, it's an excuse for all people everywhere to get drunk because the bars are full and party-hard, there's also parades and public drunkenness is pretty much ignored

Clearly the Irish just throw the best parties 😛

But yeah all jokes aside the afroperspectives thing is hokey

Leprechauns known for being dwarf-like in size - article names a height that is barely smaller than the average of the time

So what if the leprechauns are just immortal irish men hmm <:TimThink:482277772497125378>

Shit, we've been caught

you know how old people seem to get a bit shorter as time goes on?

what happens if you never die.

you just inverse grow

I've been thinking recently about the pros of a constituional monarchy. I think there is untapped potential that is overlooked in a constitutional monarchy. I'm not saying that one should be put in power, just that it has some benefits.

The main reason I was thinking about this is, if someone spent 20 years being taught to lead a nation it would be a great benefit. Especially, if the person elected into monarchy was a highly qualified individual

who could teach their offspring

/heir

It’s not a merit based system though. Some heirs just aren’t fit to lead.

I mean tbh, if the king had multiple heirs

he dedicated over two decades teaching

it might be good

teaching how to manipulate the people into blinding following you for your own selfish gains? oh yeah, brilliant.

you know what might also be a good idea? Autocrats school 101, hosted by hillary clinton.

No I mean, if the constituion made it illegal for the king/queen to porfit from it

and the king/queen also had to teach morals and ethics

to their heirs

They profit from it by default, they have most of the power.

Or the are just a figure head.

@Timcast M hey i watched your video about abortion where you compared a baby to a vampire and I was thinking does this mean you’d be ok with me removing money given to people on welfare since they are sapping my life in a slightly different but comparable way only i never did anything that would lead them to suck out my life

Figured this was a better place

Then you also need to get rid of the benefits a king would get. Some are in it for the power and nothing else.

removing a baby from your body is different from shooting someone in the head

providing welfare to a person is different from forcing a person to provide their being to another

the blood of a woman is not the same as handing someone a sandwich

i dont like abortion and I dont think it should be used as contraception

but Im more worried about a government that can mandate you provide your body to another

Hi there Tim! Been watching here and there for a while, and I have a thesis I would like torn to the ground if at all possible.

It's presented under the name CanadianDaves on your Trump of Brazil assassination attempt vid.

Hit me up wherever if you find a ten foot pole!

Clinton had a good line on abortion: "safe, legal, and rare"

I mean slick willy not the hilldawg

Problem is, is that the democrats have completely forgotten about the "rare" part.

In fact their antics in protests and media seem to be advocating more abortions, not less. People wearing "ask me about my abortion" shirts is retarded. It's self-defeating.

They ought to be using their donation money to fund charities that give out free contraceptives instead of using the money to make abortions seem cool.

And policy wise I think it's better to promote policies that help make some abortions unnecessary. Try to determine the exact reason why women choose abortion, and then develop policies that would minimize that motivation.

Hook-up culture and the death of marriage mean that a lot of women who would choose abortion would otherwise end up struggling single moms. I have to be honest and say that I haven't checked the stats but I would hazard a guess that married couples rarely have abortions.

People are worried about roe v wade being thrown out because of cases of the mothers life in danger and rape but the current speaker of the house and the former republican presidential contender of 2012 both have made it clear that they support abortion in extreme cases.

Politically it's not a hill worth dying on. Wish someone would tell Shapiro and the paleocons though.

What do you mean?

@Timcast from a logical perspective the government would not be mandating the mom provide he body rather mandating the protection of the life of the child. For example if the child could be removed from the body in a way that the child could live in a machine and become healthy still, that sounds like it is still pro-life to me.

For abortion the law would have to be enforced as murder, and murder is only acceptable under extreme cases of self defense.

I do see where you are coming from though and I think your position is respectable.

While the pro-choice/pro-life split is roughly 50/50, less than half on the pro-life side actually want legislation against it. It's not something that mobilizes many people on the right. Most Americans just don't care that much.

Those that are incredibly energized by the pro-life debate are dying of old age.

I'm not so sure

https://news.gallup.com/poll/235445/abortion-attitudes-remain-closely-divided.aspx

Then again trusting polls might not be wise.

As a centrist pro-life is one of my socialy right positions and my experience with those in college many seem to think it's a rather important issue. Additionally looking at the Kavanaugh bashing much of it is motivated by roe v wade and right now people talk about roe v wade a lot

I just don't think it's a winning issue for republicans. They're better off sticking to immigration, the economy, and gun rights. Those motivate people more.

Polls can be helpful they just aren't the end all be all

Freedom of speech too

Pro life can be a winning issue but I agree it is not number 1 priority

While I agree that's crucial to victory in November and in the future, not many voters understand that it's even under threat.

Like at the recent senate hearing with Twitter and Facebook, freedom of speech was barely mentioned.

It was mostly about muh russia.

I think it is more of a motivator for the youngest base

There is a decent demographic but it won't be as apparent yet

Right now I am a single issue voter, and that is whoever is most likely to clean up this God awful social security mess or at least not pass on the bill to me and my kids since I am 21

I work i use my time and my energy to produce I pour my life into increasing my value and working for my employer time i can and never will get back and then after i have given part of my life a man from Washington aims a gun at me and demands I give part of my life to another only I never got the joy of fucking someone before hand I only have the pain of caring for another against my will @Timcast

Even though i give 10% of all that I make to charity and some months more than that I am still forced to give more and I will never see a return on the money I give

Complaining about taxes because of threat of a gun isn't a great argument

We choose to live in a place with taxes we are agreeing to pay those taxes

The better argument is how much taxes and fighting the bad spending

I am fighting bad spending

Im ok paying for things that I use

Better yet is arguing for most social programs to be state or local

Federal government is only responsible for international issues like military and diplomacy

Im saying social programs are an infringement of individual liberties telling a mother & father to care for the kid they made by willfully fucking is just telling people to not be irresponsible leeches

Social programs are fine but if we had them on a state level at least we could choose which ones we want by leaving to another state

And if there is misuse of funds the people responsible aren't a thousand miles away

I disagree

I didn’t choose to be born in NJ and frankly I don’t wanna pay for someone else its unconstitutional

You choose to stay there

Doesn’t change the constitution

What part of the Constitution?

And I’m referring to the preamble

It makes disgusting things like income tax theoretically impossible

But power corrupts

I disagree that income tax should be impossible under the preamble, however there was a big question of direct tax amongst the founding fathers

It was s controversial issue early on and had not been used for a quite some time after the Constitution

Fdr fucked my country up bad I want the old deal back

The one where hard work and intelligence is rewarded and everything else is allowed to take its natural course

He did set some dangerous precedents

If I choose to lay my life down and help the downtrodden that is my decision but if I am expected to sacrifice my intellect and body for the good of another they can take them both and simply consume my rotting corpse because i will die before being a slave to any man

In response to what particular scenario?

40% taxes things like that

You expect me to live under the assumption only 60% of the fruits of my labor are mine?

All I want is to live and die by my own will and capacity

If the military is ok with working Ill pay them if the cops will work ill pay them if the government wants to make roads ill pay for that ill even pay judges and other elected officials but im not gonna pay someone to do nothing sorry

I'm not asking you to

Course new deal somewhat goes along with that logic

There was some good that came out of that, but an overreaching president is bad for the long run

Course we rarely talk about Congress decades ago

The ones typically adding on to the budget and passing these omnibus bills

Both Democrats and Republicans sign off on all these wasteful programs

Asking for taxes to be spent effeceintly and carefully is definitely a high priority

Especially something that has to be considered about social programs is that we have to deal with the debt first

Almost like allowing politicians to steal people’s money and give it to others in exchange for votes is bad

And dont get me started on copyright law

Just had an interesting conversation with a factory owner I know.

It seems most of the upper middle class support Trump

He had a rather interesting success story about how he started off as a car cleaner man

The government shouldn’t regulate shit

The market can and will remove bad actors if they are not propped up by the government

Lets say copyright didn’t exist that first man movie comes out somebody films and cuts in the flag planting and bam the two products can sell on their own merits and the studio still has the first to market advantage which should be the only advantage

From what he told me, a lot of people like him find the Republican Party

*fund

He talked about it like it was an investment, rather intriguing

Everything is an investment of time and assets

I certainly don’t agree with corporate donations but speaking with him, brought me the realisation that a lot of these people were once at the bottom of society and they have grown accustomed to their newfound positions.

Yeah like hard work pays off

The upper middle class are what the left would call "class traitors"

I dont find my meaning in a class structure I am an individual and wish to be treated as such

If others do not wish to be treated as individuals thats fine but they are not gonna rope me into their bs

Well actually know that I think about it. Would a factory owner be upper middle class, or lower upper class

God... questions

Depends on his income

Well he has 125 employees

So must be pretty high but not super high

Upper middle makes more sense

Upper class generally are at the point where their wealth can sustain them without needing to work at all

Yah he’s not the .01%

But then wouldn’t doctors not count as upper middle class

Cuz they need to work

They have to invest and manage their money @Blackhawk342

Depends how much they make

And yes they do, but there are large investment firms for a reason

Yep

Doctors still have to work which would make them lower upper class

Most of the extreme upper class still work

Because while they could quit and be ok financially, their passive wealth generation isnt at the point where it can replace their career

I think maybe doctors are upper middle class an then factory workers are lower upper class. However high up doctors can be lower upper class and even higher

Jeff Bezos

Maybe middle upper class

Saudi oil barons

The royal family

Elon musk more convinces the government to give him money than actually make it these days

Xi xing ping is kinda an emperor trying to reign in capitalism

He’ll die if he keeps it up

Work is a requirement pretty much its just how and what you do

And what your ancestors did

In the royals cases

He's upper middle class in income and by the traditional mercantile ways of capitalism (he can spend freely on stuff that doesn't matter and probably has a nice savings account). If he started as a car salesman and isn't degreed or rub elbows with the right people he's lower class by the rising Brahmins of American society in the Media, Academia, Hollywood and the government.

Basically, he's probably wealthy enough to buy anything he really wants within reason, but not so wealthy he could not work (or if he did, he'd lose alot of his current lifestyle). Upper middle class.

But that's not much respect these days for some reason. I can't put my finger on it, but I feel like there's an attitude on the rise that cares more about saying the right things and being in the right circles more than individual success. And it's taking over the cultural and political centers.

Upper class is where you can just take a vacation whenever you want and live in a nice house with a nice car.

Extreme uppre class is when you can just luxury spend on whatever you may want.

Working or not working comes down more to what you are willing to live on.

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Proposition: the new division politically will not be economics. It will be on the nation and local control versus global control and institutions.

The result is that all this "I'm center left, I'm center right" everyone keeps saying on this server isn't going to matter as much in 6 years.

Agree or disagree?

On this server? Agree. I don't think there's much changing minds going on here as we tend to agree on a lot of stuff.

But on other servers you can get some people to think differently.

Still it's not enough to sway much.

@pratel I disagree. For half of society it will be that and I believe the other half it’ll be class warfare

Interesting proposition. Why?

I think that democracies (atleast in the US) tend to factionalize along some kind of pole, even if the pole is inaccurate.

Took me a moment to realize what you meant

I’ve heard lots of people, centrists, leftists and people on the right actually say that a world government would be beneficial (If done correctly). But I though htf are we going to govern the Middle East

Yeah, alot of people are kinda utopian. I actually don't like left/right dichotomies. I think it's oversimplifying everything.

It would have to be extremely authoritarian.

And even then it won't work.

I don't know.

If you think in terms of the local communication networks people tended to have in most of history. There was a single dominant power.

"Alexander the Great conquered the world"

People used to be more similar thousands of years ago.

Authoritarian, maybe. I could see it devolving into that.

Easier to co-exist.

Last I checked, they tended to get involved in endless warfare.

Obviously but still people had similar beliefs. There were also less people so things were easier to control.

Less people to implement the control though.

Plus, we have computers and the internet now.

Your cell phone knows *exactly* where you are right now.

It might even know what you're doing at the moment.

And that information **isn't** just sitting on your phone.

Anyone into history here?

I think people can be free from disgusting tribalism and be free to live as individuals

To reflect god in all their actions and truly become the highest personification of what a man can be

To use this reason and intellect to move forward

What sect of Christianity u from?

The one that takes responsibility for their own actions

Ok?

Please clarify

Christianity is as infinitely fragmented as the individual themselves although gather together is important the individual relationship with god and deepening of ones own understanding is the goal

Do you have your own sect then?

Kinda

Makes sense. A lot of the current ones are far from perfect

I love beauty, truth, justice

Hate lying and sin

I saw that

Me 3

It was really bad. Didn't come out nearly as funny as I thought it would.

Forget it. I shouldn't have said it.

Gtg sleep

I believe in very basic terms that man is a reflection of god man continually runs from their rights and responsibilities I strive to not run but to be a reflection of the almighty

I kinda like it.

This is your own personal sect?

It’s what I think is the best of christianity

Note I think that I am only capable of doing this because of god but theres a whole lot in the bible all very important and much hard to understand

I've been saying for a while now, that I think the poles have shifted. We find ourselves aligning with people like Tim Pool and the like not due to the left/right definition, but due to authoritarian/libertarian differences.

It's a portion of the reason why people on the Libertarian side of things are finding themselves in agreement.

One of the key differences between Authoritarianism and Libertarianism is that Authoritarians want to bring about cultural change through policy, and Libertarians would rather see policy enforced by culture.

As per Globalization vs. Localization, that might be an interesting division point to bring up.

That seems to mean a lot more than an economic left/right sort of division.

I have trouble even trying to grasp the key differences on scale between what we call on a political compass 'Left' and 'Right'. It seems inaccurate as it stands.

same

and im struggling to understand why left libertarians are below the authoritarian line considering how much they usually want to regulate the market

Well, in that regard, it kind of makes sense.

You can believe in regulation of markets, but not of people.

no
markets are people

People who work in them are.

economics is another word for human action

But the corporations are not people in and of themselves.

i agree the legal definition is false, but they are a group of people ultimately

its not the building making decisions, its the people within it

a brand cant pick up a pen and write a signature on a form

You're going to have to expound on that 'Economics' synonym.

I think I'm going to challenge you on it...

economics is a description of the results of people interacting with eachother when they trade value

Alright, that's a more sound definition than I was expecting...

It's just horseshoe theory in action. As you reach 'maximum liberty' you allow for others to build up their authority, or you do so yourself to force everyone to live in the way you envision as 'free'.

I still disagree with it vaguely, but not strongly enough to argue it.

I think I see a solution to this situational quagmire in what I call personal data corporations.

You basically start a surveillance company that studies everything about you, creates a singular data resource, and parcels out data for profit.

That sounds terrifying.

Orwell inside out, yep

my point is, if you regulate a minimum wage for example, it means you're gonna have to send cops with guns after employers when they make agreements with workers to pay for a certain amount. the policy have to be enforced against human beings. and those human beings may not necessarily have a problem working for below minimum wage, if it makes the difference between doing something and doing nothing.

but decentralization is the only way to defang the viper in question.

I suppose it's better than the fine print surveillance we submit to on a daily basis...

either take control of your data, or someone else will

if it's a corporate resource.... whole new set of laws if someone messes with it.

expensive laws.

I'm less concerned with Minimum Wage matters in regulation.