Saying the state will control the internet is like saying the state will control literature tbh fam. If twitter gets compromised or destroyed we just move back to pre-twitter, when everything still somehow managed to function

The powers to be don't want Trump or Progressives ... a nice Dem/Rep corporate control.

I think it highly likely to be as you say, @Beemann , but China is a cautionary tale of what can happen if one party gets absolute power. The Great Firewall.

China already had absolute power

Yes the CCP did

And they did it through starving out or killing a sizeable portion of the population

And they did what was considered impossible. They actually put the internet to harness.

I don't think it's repeatable in the 'States as it stands

I agree with you

They honestly didn't though, because people still access outside sites via VPN

But it has been shown to be possible

The key point now if it is a Trump supporter, was he on Ambien or something and had a mental illness ... more conspiracy. CIA mind control ... LOL?

Ambien is not mind control

Well something that will provide group hypnosis to work.

Dunno the meds ...

You target 100 people, one is bond to go bonkers ....

That last is true

We saw that with the Giffords shooter and the Scalise shooter

Markets pulling back, looks Trump negative ....

I actually think the best thing for markets is split control

Yes, markets want a split Congress, but don't want impeachment ... this will be a market negative ... lose economic focus.

I think the chaos of late is in part because the Red Wall might be stronger than the Blue Wave

Dems in control of just the House won't lead to impeachment

A law enforcement source told CBS4 the man is 56-years-old and they were led to him through DNA evidence.

No Trump can stay in, but two years of impeachment hearings and market sentiment stalls.

Supposedly his van has pro trump stickers on it.

Economy falters and Trump is out in 2020.

Fox is reporting such.

Rye, ahhh yes ...

The profile was exactly as I predicted on my video this morning ...

But if Trump goes down, the deep state will target Progressive next.

It doesn't preclude false flag likelihood.

But the guy has a history of terrorist threats.

Everyone will target regressives if Trump goes down.

Rye, no but harder now to prove some CIA mind control conspiracy ...

The timing just makes it so hard to judge.

Who the fuck honestly believes that shit?

What do you think the CIA employs psychologists for?

to keep people calm so they dont blather confidential material

https://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam/status/1055522513042714625

Hard to say, but it could be true ...just guessing. It would very easy to do, and when power is at stake, why not?

And to obtain confidential material.

Well, their job IS to collect information. I mean, thats the entire point of their existence.

They have millions of dollars, not all spent on mobs and signs.

Why does it have to be reactionaries and "regressives" who win? What about the middle?

The middle doesn't care.

I care. Isn't this whole place about people on the middle who care?

I don't think Regressive Progressives can win, deep state will take these people down. They are too radical for the elite.

Once Trump is out they will calm down.

Why does the left have to be so bitter? Why dies the right have to have those not like them? Why can't we look at issues and address them as issues and not as strawmen for tribal ideologies?

I feel like the last moderate left on Earth

Cat, because power ... money.

So no one cares about issues anymore? It's all about power, not governing?

China and Russia want Trump gone ... for their own reasons. They could be part of this mix too.

Cat, yes!

Man arrested in connection with the pipe bombs, according to a law enforcement source, is in his 50s, with Aventura FL address. He has a criminal history and ties to New York, source says

A criminal ... hmmm easy to manipulate.

Cut a deal with the man, then back stab him.

Crazy that markets and politics rides on whether this is a Bernie or Trump supporter.

Sorta like the Kavenaugh hearings ... is the woman telling the truth or not .. and who said what ... small issues with big effects.

Ok we have a name. Let the fun begin .... Cesar Sayoc Jr., a Florida resident, is suspect arrested in Florida in connection with wave of pipe bomb packages, law enforcement sources tell @NBC

So, investigative agencies have psychologists on hand because they're useful for forensics and pattern recognition.

Photo: https://www.mediaite.com/terror/breaking-suspect-arrested-in-connection-with-pipe-bombs-sent-to-democrats-identified/

One Twitter user posted photos of a van that appears to be Soyac’s, showing pro-Trump stickers alongside others showing Hillary Clinton in crosshairs, and one stating “CNN SUCKS”

A bit too clean for Democrats, but this is the story ...

Who rides around with a van like this ...?

Those stickers look brand new. Just saying

Hmmm... i would imagine that the van would get vandalized ...

~~Kowalski~~ 4Chan, analysis.

Since when is a random Twitter user a reputatable source?

Well this coming from MSM ... so ....

You can see the police in other picture throwing a tarp over that van

HMMMM...

<:TimThink:482277772497125378>

LOL ... yes ....

Okay, then that means something

Something fucky is going on here...

We have a name

It becomes evidence

cesar sayoc

press conference at 2:30 p.m

OK, Democrats will have a field day. Right winger will claim some conspiracy. Polls shift 2% advantage Democrats.

Assures the House goes blue ...

Impeachment hearings for 2 years now ... ugghhhhh....

What a convenient scapegoat.

https://voterrecords.com/voters/cesar-sayoc/1

Party Affiliation: Republican Party
Registered to Vote In: Dade County, FL
Voter Status: Active

If you are a Trump supporter, turn your TV off, you will become ill ....

Well, there goes my hope in restoring civility in my home country...

I guess I'll have to move to Japan if shit hits the fan...

Well, he must be a real idiot ...

Just wait. I can already hear the drums of war brewing up...

This will be on a loop for the next 2 weeks ....

With Alex Jones talking about his Ambien addiction ...

Probably no family, divorced with kids somewhere. They will have to go into hiding.

I'm fuckin' scared, man. I mean, I like most of POTUS's ideas, but my leftist parents might end up disowning me because of this shit.

Krazz, yes not good ... people will want to go after this guy big time.

I came out with my casual support for the president, and they act like I'm some kind of Yes Man.

Krazz, just bring up the muslims. If we can't blame all muslims for their terror then we can't blame all Trump supports for this.

Hey, good idea.

Markets liking this. Trump's wings clipped, trade war over?

I'm not sure how the rest of the country will react to this, though.

>antifa regularly violently attacks people
>media supports this
>dems call for less civility
>okay
>one rando sends non functional "bombs"
>drumpf is responsible
<:NPC:500042527231967262>

I hope to the highest of Heaven that we won't end up in a civil war.

trump paid this man to drive cross country to hand deliver these bombs himself

I hope you're joking.

ofc

Unfortunately the story is real, it is a Trump supporter ... Dems will be jumping for joy.

This nothingburger's a little undercooked, can I send it back to the kitchen?

I'm fuckin' scared, man.

Eh, I wouldn't worry about it.

I can hear Steven Colbert and the crowd cheering in ecstasy now.

And the women of the "View" .... OMG ... they will get cramps slapping each other on the back.

Man arrested is a white male in his 50s who was previously a New York resident and has prior for ‘terroristic threats’.

He’s been under surveillance for the past 24 hours.

Online records show Sayoc, who has a criminal record, has owned companies called Native American Catering & Vending, as well as Proud Native America One Low Price Drycleaning.

Hmmm a friend of Elizabeth Warren.

So most likely High School education at best ... several companies gone bust ... so not that smart/good at work.

make your natives whiter than whi?te

Wait was Styx right? Is this a dem larping as a republican?

Nope a Trump supporter.

Bodybuilder Sayoc is said to have been traced by DNA and phone records, and was flagged as a suspect after making previous terror threats to judges.


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/26/suspected-maga-bomber-idd-as-native-american-trump-supporter-cesar-sayoc-56-8079040/?ito=cbshare

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/

You just said elizabeth warren was a friend

He meant that sarcastically.

Ah that confused me.

There is a lot of weirdness around this, but could it be just that? Just a weird person choosing a time to do something crazy?

Yes, sarcastically ... he appears to be native american.

Oh shit.

Body builder ..

Now it's gonna be much harder to condemn a man like him, now that we know he's Native American.

President Trump announced the apprehension and arrest, and says the suspect will be "prosecuted to the full extent of the law."

Not a smart man, can't spell either ...

Oof.

Sayoc was previously arrested and accused of threatening to use a bomb, the New York Times reports. His criminal history dates back to 1991 and also includes felony theft, drug and fraud charges.

so just a general crazy person

Drug charges? Reminds me of Tim Allen.

Is this fake news?

This is no more the broader Republican Party fault than Scalise was the Dems fault. The fault is our tribalism and need to win and therefore our dehumanizing the opponent.

Way to lump me into that group.

Tribalist.

The dude's Twitter posts are spelled horribly and the posts are retweeted non-stop in a binary pattern.

@Bookworm , I don't think I named anyone. Do you disagree that polarized people on both sides are dehumanizing the opponent?

Comparing Pres Trump to an orangutan or Pres Obama to a chimpanzee?

Our. You're referencing me, because you're speaking to me.

The word you're looking for is their.

Their tribalism.

I think the only monkey reference that's been apt in recent presidents has been Dubya. He's totally a monkey.

Or, their and my own, if you are also tribalizing and dehumanizing.

I'm referencing the United States as a whole. Would you disagree that we're forming tribal units on both political poles?

Our side right or wrong

No, we as a nation are not doing that.

They are evil

There's always been tribal units, it's just gotten worse recently due to lefties going batshit crazy.

There might be groups *within* the nation doing that.

until recently, dialogue and debate has always been encouraged, but modern lefties are against that and regularly encourage "SHUT IT DOWN" over debate.

What about those on the right that dehumanize black people? Trans people? "Fags"?

Moral decay brought on by the decline of traditional families.

What is a traditional family?

How hard is it to verify he is a registered dem?

I have two wonderful kids.

Cat, you see .... you have to ask this question.

With two moms

And very active grandparents

Ew

Og

I read attractive lol

Dehumanizing has always happened, but when prompted for debate, the right is usually all in favor of it because they tend to have a strong stance on their opinions, being able to cite faults such as the extremely high crime rates in black areas, thus they feel that if you debate them, they'll win.

It's only been the new wave lefties that have broken this cycle and created open conflict over civil (or even less than civil) debate.

My wife and I have been together 27 years. We went to prom together and at my 20th high school reunion we're the only couple who went that were still together.

@DrYuriMom what are you opinions on abuse in non nuclear families? Do the statistics lie? Or are they correlating things that may have other causations?

Cat, Not all china men are short. But what are the averages?

But there are those who say our love is untraditional, evil, and bad for the country

I think there are too many confounding factors to apply this statistics

And in any case, those statistics would play out if the people involved were in "traditional" relationships. Relationships are just the human beings involved.

Statistics on "nontraditional" (IE non-straight) relations are skewed due to the fact that such relationships have only recently become normalized. That being said, the actual hard statistics tend to show that even if they do have higher rates of difficulty over standard straight families, they're still MASSIVELY ahead of the curve over broken families. And given that the current leftie trends are by and large leading to more broken families and single parent households... I gotta say, everyone who's against same sex parent families is kinda fuckin' stupid.

Why's that?

Well, if you believe there is no correlation to families and morals, then you should be fine.

... really? I... just explained...
Same sex families by modern studies (which are woefully inadequate) tend to be close to, or within a small deviation of straight family dynamics and positivity for the children.
Broken family homes and single parent homes are... DISGUSTINGLY more damaging for children and lead to overwhelming amounts of delinquency, criminal activity amongst the children, lower grades in school, lower job opportunities, the list goes on and on.

Interesting. Do you have a link to those studies?

Lemme grab you some 😄

I don't hate the idea of same-sex marriage, it's just that the fact that lesbian couples have the highest rates of domestic abuse irks me.

Here's a good one.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3171291/

Social media posts reveal that Sayoc attended at least one Trump rally ....

If that's not good for you, there are countless other ones. Google is very much your friend on topics that are so overwhelmingly well covered.

Gold mine for Democrats ...

Fuck, fuck, fuck. This is not good.

Countless?

Yeah, and "Google". It's this remarkable thing where you can type something in and get information. Or maybe you misunderstand hyperbole in that I was simply making the suggestion that there have been a LOT of studies, and I rather don't mean to sit there and count every single one, rather than genuinely mean that there are more than I could count.

now, as I was... trying to get to before that particular derailment.
I do believe that modern studies are woefully inadequate as to the full scope of same sex parent households vs. straight parent households, due to it only really becoming more mainstream recently, and all existing studies being on small scales, plus usually cherrypicked cases designed to aim for a certain outcome. To understand the full scope would require a much larger study be undertaken and fairly documented in that regard, but even the badly limited frame of studies available in that regard are universal in their agreement that (barring feels over reals reasonings or religious outcries) a stable family unit is superior to a broken one.

"Asking for clarification and supporting evidence for my position is a derailment".

Also, I wouldn't exactly say taking discussion tactics from Cenk Uygur is all that wise.

And yes, I don't think you'd find a lot of people arguing that a stable two person family unit is inferior or equal to a broken family unit.

Money and sex rule the world, make people poor and confuse them about their sex, the results will be obvious, though for sure a small percentage can manage through it successfully. Studies can be dubious, but clearly families are broken and the country is going crazy.

Oh no, it's not a derailment, and that's why I was happy to provide you with one of those aforementioned countless articles, since you apparently have never been privy to the wide wealth of information available. I'm sorry that you lack even a basic level of knowledge on the subject, but again, that's why I was happy to provide. Though continuing to pressure for more studies when so many are littered everywhere is... Well, allow me to make a broad comparison. The method you are currently using to insist you constantly need more steps of proof after I've already provided, directly led to this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaY9k6tuLog

So please. Keep going. You're really proving me in the wrong here. 😉

You are an absolute peach, Tom.

Clearly, you're willing to have a civil discussion on the issue, and have no emotional bank in the topic.

I'm glad you recognize that. 😄

Have a nice day, Tom.

You too!

Who drives around with a van like this ....?

Subtle.

someone that should of been kept an eye on.

They were ...

I bet.

Most Trump supporters I know have about three stickers on their car, tops. This is too much to be believable.

He was already under watch and committed priors ...

A real body builder .... quite unusual for his age ...

The alleged bomber's Facebook page includes a lot of political memes, assorted selfies, and personal photos from what looks like an October 2016 Trump rally.

Memes he posted on his page include an image of Hillary Clinton - one of the bomb targets - labeled “hypocrite.” There are images criticizing Islam and referring to Muslims as “paedophiles and rapists” and opposing gun control.

That's odd. he dissapered from twitter at that time.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/cesar-sayoc-jr-alleged-mail-bomber-threatened-democrats-on-twitter/

seriously? I wouldn't look at him being the flaky type who jumps ship from twitter to facebook and later back as some kind of conspiracy theory bullshit.
Let's be absolutely blunt here. Even if he is the magic poster child of the worst trump supporter ever that the lefties want, the hard fact is he's an isolated individual case... lefties have all of antifa and their nonstop rioting to show that their troublemakers are not one-off jackasses that need to be singled out.

Yes JustTom, unforutatly you know what the Dems will say and the MSM will spin, rinse and repeat.

oh I know

Worth at least 2% in the polls ...

but I'm just stating this as a factual matter for those of us HERE, who should be acting more sane. ... maybe I just hold groups I've joined in higher regard than the mainstream idiots.

Yes, I understand.

but you are right about it giving a polls shift

Maybe he'll finally explain why he mailed a fake bomb with a Larry the Cable Guy meme on it! WTF

now, in THAT regard, I think Trump is doing a good job of keeping the pressure against the MSM.

At one point, Sayoc purportedly wrote “you will vanish” in a tweet aimed at the billionaire. Soros received a suspicious package at his Westchester County home on Monday—the first of at least 12 mailed to liberal public figures this week.

Other tweets falsely claimed the February 2018 mass shooting at Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, was a false-flag operation orchestrated by Soros and his liberal allies.

It’ll be used as example #2 of right wing extremism. Now the far left can say “look! Charlottesville AND magabomber! Orange man bad!”

Trump already is condemning the guy.

(Twitter)

Trump can not really say anything else. The issue is how will he treat this going forward? Evertime he says FAKE NEWS they will refer to this.....

There's more to it than just condemning him. If that's all trump did, this would still be a MAJOR blow against the republicans.

The reason I say trump is doing a good job at it is because of the way he's already posting that the hate and divide that are being made are encourging extremists like this, and he's specifically faulting things like the "harass people on the streets" campaigns dems are using as a way for this kind of mindset to be justified, so he's creating an outcry against the democratic and MSM policies that are leading to these extreme actions.

THAT, is why I say Trump is doing a good job. A simple "this was bad" would be a crap post and meaningless in the face of this situation.

Ironic: Claims *Seminole* origin...be clear-indigenous for *semi-black*

You mean, "*Dark White*"?

MSM, of course, will try to fight against Trump saying those things, but the fact he's tweeted them makes it difficult for MSM to oppose it. It's acting as a further way for the centerists to rally on his side, despite the way MSM will use this against him. I'd say if Trump can hold his story and force the MSM to talk about his talking points even for a bit, that 2% swing suggested could be lessened to under 1%

Tim says Dems can't meme ....

yeah, they can't... that's not a meme, it's a ... low effort political cartoon. They just shoved a bunch of supposed trump stuff in, even pepe. That's... really pathetic actually.

Just saying

Pepe... that was a great meme.

They want to say that the right is pushing incivility

What do you think that statement from Hillary tells a more afraid republican?

According to a 2012 bankruptcy petition filed in Miami, Mr. Sayoc resided at the time at his mother’s home. “Lives w/mom,” a handwritten note on the petition said. “Has no furniture.”

Who sees what they care about being destroyed by the democrats?

Mr. Sayoc, a registered Republican, has a lengthy criminal history in Florida dating back to 1991 that includes felony theft, drug and fraud charges, as well as being accused of threatening to use a bomb, public records show.

And that's why I think Trump's tweets in response to this bomber are amazing. The fact that he's trying to rebrand it from MSM's "MAGA Bomber" into "Look at what all of the left's incivility has bred."

Like I said, he's subtley condemning him.

CHIPPENDALES DISAVOWS SAYOC ...
He Worked for a Knockoff Stripper Co.

He's trying to examplify that when a group goes extreme against others, there's bound to be resistance.

The key difference between sides here

Sayoc was on probation for battery and grand theft in 2014, and asked a judge to approve out-of-state travel due to his job as a road manager for Chippendales. It was approved, and while he might have been touring ... the real Chippendales says it was NOT with them.

We're told Cesar worked for Gold Productions, a touring company that's used the Chippendales name -- and has been sued multiple times by the real company.

The right, in general, doesn't consider this guy heroic by any stretch

Whereas the left praised the hell out of Antifa for all of their riots and violence.

Mmhmm