Sterialize does not imply surgery

Learn English boyo

I am vociferous against anything permanent being done with kids under 16yo, and no surgery until age of consent.

Surgery induced sterialization is neutering or "snipping"

"kid can't sit stock still in school for 8 hours straight? HE MUST HAVE ADD!"
"Um... maybe you just let him run around for 10 minutes in the middle of the day instead of throwing him on pills that may or may not lead to an addictive habit"
"WHAT ARE YOU, SOME KIND OF ANTI VACCER!"
"....what"

I'm against puberty blockers as well for reasons mentioned above. They can be hugely damaging in their own way.

But delaying puberty to permit the kid to make their own decision as they get older? Why not? Isn't that liberty?

Its no different from russian choir boys getting castrated to keep their voices high

Would delaying puberty have an effect on their ability to make that choice? What effect would that have on their brain?

It has a lot of effects

What is wrong about giving kids the opportunity to make their own choice when they get old enough to consent?

how long is puberty typically delayed? can't imagine waiting until 15yo to start is at all good for a developing body

Puberty has a lot of side effects

I wish my voice wasn't so cringy to me...

Go back a few hundred years and puberty between 14-16yo was not unusual

It's only due to the modern high-protein diet that we have puberty so early

okay, so what happens if they wait until 18?

@DrYuriMom I assure you, the effects of delaying puberty aren't that you can just kickstart it whenever you're ready. It doesn't work that way. There is both physical evidence and studies, and I have direct anecdotal evidence (although relying exclusively on that is a logical fallacy).

What can I say? Cheeseburgers are delicious.

@DrYuriMom if you block puberty. That also means their brain is not developed. So technically their brain is not ready to do such desisions.

Actually, @JustTom , it can and it does

"Relying on evidence you have direct access to is a logical fallacy".

@DrYuriMom Evidence please, your study confirming this?

Anecdotal events may not provide a complete picture, but it is relevant data.

We use drugs to delay puberty - it's called precious puberty

why is the modern answer to literally everything drugs?

what am i saying, that is the human answer to everything since we first found cocaine and pot

And that kid will never have children.
Good job for killing childs future.

delay =/= stop

Are you against eugenics, @Jasse?

Thank you, @Grenade123

permanently stop i should say

@Aktriaz not really.
But thats complelty different thing than taking away childrens ablility to have kids in future.

Now I will back up and say I'm not sure how to feel about the recent "trendiness" or trans

now here is a question, @DrYuriMom do you think there are some who claim to be transgender out of a fad/to 'belong', rather than actual feelings of dysphoria

oh

lol

Isn't this a way of preventing me from the mental illness behind transgenderism? Or would you rather keep these people in the gene pool?

Just saying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTV_Vz-Ur2M

That said, trans has been around for a very long time. Dr Benjamin wrote about it in the 1930's.

The problem is how long you intend to delay it and for what causes. There are many studies that currently exist that all reaffirm that our moden way of growing strongly encourages the body to go through puberty during the late teenage years and to reach full growth by age 20. If you push this off by one year... two tops, then it may not be horrible, but you're talking about starting every child on these drugs at age 13 (or slightly younger) to prevent the beginning of puberty, and delaying this to age 18 (or whatever your age of consent is going to be), all due to the less than 1% of the population that is trans, barring the trans-trenders.

Do you have ANY idea how DAMAGING that would be to society as a whole, and the overwhelming damage it will cause to entire generations?

I would *never* propose that be done for every child

ever

never

no way

NOW THAT'S A LOTTA DAMAGE!

Where did that come from?!?

we treat kids like children too much IMO.

there's that study about the boy who lost his penis in a freak circumcision accident so he was raised a girl

Flex Seal commercial. That's where that phrase is from.

@Aktriaz but how you know that children actually have body dismorphia? that wount fix it self when they grow up?

Meybodi, Azadeh Mazaheri, Ahmad Hajebi, and Atefeh Ghanbari Jolfaei. "The frequency of personality disorders in patients with gender identity disorder." Medical journal of the Islamic Republic of Iran 28 (2014): 90.

Iran? You do know they forcibly transition gay men, right?

Most people who decide against transitioning end up gay

Umm....is the Islamic Republic of Iran a crediable source for information?

Being gay is also mentall illnes.

*faceplam*

*headdesk*

I'm craaazzzzyyyyy

i think the real mental illness here is "oh you're gay so that means you must be a girl then"

modern society is pushing this trans shit too far, with the overwhelming number of annoying trans-trenders or non-binary people out there, if you are going to start opening the floodgates to more heavily allow for the suppression of puberty, then you are going to cause a huge spike in the number of children that this will be done to purely based on parental beliefs.

Like those crazy parents that are bragging about how their 4yo is already "coming out" as gay.

https://media.makeameme.org/created/but-i-know.jpg

i'm so tired of trans stuff

Gays are pretty much same as pedophiles.
They are atracted to something that biologially they shouldnt.

i just want to go back to the good old days of binary genders

@DrYuriMom Okay you have to ignore Jasse for obvious trolling. But my statement still remains.

The trans people I relate to just want to transition and disappear

I'm guessing those days are long since gone, FunnyStarRunner.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ecuador-assange/uk-said-assange-would-not-be-extradited-ecuadors-top-attorney-idUSKCN1N002T

wait for trump to set the record straight

then give it a few years

@DrYuriMom Yes. YES. Fucking YES. That's a sane trans person. If those are the people you're talking about who just want to be the other gender and be done with it, living their life as that. I ... fucking support them.

Hallelujah!

They only transition them because they are crazy.

Islam is the religion of peace.

But that is not the majority of modern Trans

For me, Islam is the most feminist religion.

Huh?

sinead o'connor recently dropped catholicism in favor of islam

@Undead Mockingbird , there's so much troll there I can't see the bridge

enjoy being forced to wear a head garb now, no matter how liberating the left perceive it

@JustTom im not trolling.
People now days think its normal to be gay.
But its mentall illnes by the definition.
Because they want to fuck something that biologically they shouldnt.

Here's a question, @Jasse. If no one is harmed by a mental illness, why should we care?

@Jasse Biologically, you shouldn't fuck leftie either and leave your spunk in the bottom of your sock Jasse, but you do that anyhow, don't you? So does that mean you've got a mental illness?

Cat, if someone uses a mental illness to claim harm and dictate a change in behavior how should that be treated?

@FunnyStarRunner , I'll defend someone else's liberty, but I certainly don't want to live like women in Saudi Arabia.

@Jasse women reading used to be considered a mental illness too

@DrYuriMom because gays are child abusers by huge margin.

That said, I must say I have envied my Muslim colleagues their hijab on bad hair days...

imagine getting run down in public because you accidentally showed some leg

Words, must find words...

https://us-east-1.tchyn.io/snopes-production/uploads/2016/02/list-of-insane-asylum.png

@Jasse Muslims are child rapists by a huge margin too, do you mean to say that being a muslim is a mental illness too?

@JustTom yeah we can gas them too.

the more i read that list the more my brain caves in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znKDuCdwhLs

And Catholic Priests.

@JustTom it is in china

you can go to an asylum for *losing a fucking lawsuit*

Is the novel Twilght? I kinda feel we could make an exception for that one...

Roman Catholic priests are child abusers by huge margins. Should we disband the Roman Catholic Church?

Then again, that might not be a good analogy to use...

school teachers are child abusers by huge margins, should we gas teachers?

I already said catholic priests XD

We should gas all child abusers

Yes, we should gas teachers.

wonder how much sexual abuse went on in the hitler youth

Yes, school teachers too. They've got a HUGE margin of child rapists higher than the average population.

But only if the operators of the gas chambers are unionized as well.

that recent south park episode showed that absolutely nothing has changed among pedophilic catholic priests after all these years

fathers are sexual abusers by high margins, GAS ALL THE DADS!

okay, so according to Jasse, we need to gas all the school teachers, catholics, muslims, gays, trans... and... who else?

He would say jews.

well duh

you gotta gas the jews too, how could you not? And 1 clown don't forget.

i have heard about gay couples exhibiting more abuse towards each other than straight couples

growing up with two dads means double the belt

My kids did just fine with two moms

or if two moms

twice the chanclas

One daughter and one son

High school senior and college sophomore

Well adjusted and my son especially is crazy smart

He's already taking higher calculus than I ever did in all my years of school

here's how to put the gay population in a better light

fight to eliminate bug chasing

@Jasse so even if you force "gays" to be straight then the problem would still be there...assuming I accept those numbers which I do not

who else can we gas for Jasse? Let's say... all the germans, just to make sure we don't get any nazis again. And... You know what? Fuck the french while we're at it. And I hate Cuba for no discernable reason, so let's gas all cubans. How about all of California too, for giving us such shit movies as Ghostbusters 2016, they deserve it for sure.

Sounds like we're back to mental illness then with the "bug chasing" thing.

Because these numbers practically establish that gay is genetic. Thanks for making a key point for me.

/sarcasm

"bought to you by vanguard america... taking from sample size of 1 bath house in LA during the 1980s"

lol

just the heavily liberal parts of california

c'mon Jasse, who else? since we're going off the deep end into absurdity, this is fun.

i have family that still lives there

"oh, and that 1 flight attendant that fucked everything that moved with a penis"

I can assert that my wife and I have never molested a child, never had AIDS, and the only case of STD I ever got was my one hetero relationship in high school 😦

i was about to correct that sentence, then realized if you read it as "fucked everything with his penis" or "fucker everything that had a penis", it still is accurate

Pinworms

wait you're female

technically, gays in his case probably means men only.

I know gay men, too. Gentlemen all.

Great dates

yeah, we can't gas Cat, lesbians are hot. 😛 (Sorry about that Cat, I'm still on my off-the-deep-end rant of strawmanning Jasse)

in this day and age, most people know at least 1 gay guy.

lol

band director was gay in college. Decent guy all around. His husband was fucking awesome. Nerd, worked higher up in the IT sector

great laughs about how stupid end users are

neither one you'd guess is gay

I'm 47 years old and my face has more wrinkles than Jasse's virgin rear end

actually, that is a lie. band director you wouldn't guess.

his husband, a bit too much of they stereotypical voice.

there's a lesbian couple back in cali who are friends of our family and also our old photographers

not annoying, but enough to notice

insert "I'd hit it" here.

@DrYuriMom that would imply like, 1 wrinkle, wouldn't it?

Mew

pretty sure my face at 26 has more than 1 wrinkle. although thats from resting bitch face.

@DrYuriMom sometimes once one of these trolls goes off the deep end, the best thing to do is just dive off the edge with them a bit and enjoy the ride, as long as we know we can climb back up afterwards.

when in doubt, make your pug a nazi

I've noticed

He seems to have wandered off and now the conversation has gotten so silly there's no fun left to gain from trolling. Everyone left is sane and we're all probably about on the same side (or close enough it doesn't matter to argue it anymore).

Speaking of. I wonder how Dankula's going to do... doesn't his fine date come up like today or tomorrow?

Back for more fun tomorrow 😃

Islamic blasphemy law passed by the EU.
https://www.dw.com/en/calling-prophet-muhammad-a-pedophile-does-not-fall-within-freedom-of-speech-european-court/a-46050749

can we get "calling jesus a zombie" added to that?

https://www.rt.com/uk/442330-steal-magna-carta-arrest/

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-10-25/haruhi-helps-crack-a-25-year-old-mathematical-conundrum/.138635

👏 👏 👏 the free world, everybody. Give them an applause.

Queue the lefty articles saying "right wing violence is the problem"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/opinion/bombs-democrats-trump-republicans-civility.html

Don't point out that we still dont know the party affiliation of the "bomber"

Doesn't matter. Even if it's a Bernie Bro by the time that's discovered the narrative will already be set in stone.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/new-questions-raised-about-avenatti-claims-regarding-kavanaugh-n924596

#MAGABomber most likely a mental, stupid, lone 60yr old Trump supporter, not realizing the damage he is doing to Trump. BUT because Eric Holder is on the bomb list (people that spoke out against Trump [2 weeks ago]), the #MAGABomber is a recent thing. Hence, the bombs made in haste. In haste there will be lots of mistakes and forensic evidence to get the guy. So if #MAGABomber is not found soon, then one has to consider the false flag idea, as though the event was done in haste no mistakes were made - Democratic operatives at play.

This may clip the Trump rhetoric as well. If he speak out now, he will be seen as encouraging terror. Deflates the "Jobs not Mobs" narrative. Democrats may have played this well. But we shall see as this story unfolds.

This is perhaps the exact flip side of the GOP baseball shooting last year. A lone actor inflamed by rhetoric. This is nothing to get political points for. It's time for partisans on both sides to figure out how to keep from getting so personal.

I wish the charcaturing of fellow Americans would stop.

The left charcature fundamentalists christians and Appalachia

The right charcatures trans and brown people

@DrYuriMom ... wishful thinking. It will only get worse. Pandora's box has been opened.

Can we please recognise we're all Americans

I'm a filthy foreigner :^)

Social Media is the conduit. I wonder how long governments can allow free speech.

Free speech is up to the public, ultimately

Free speech was ok before, as the "people" had no megaphone, so could be tolerated. This is no longer true.

Again, free speech is only up to the government if the American people allow it. The point of the setup is that the government promises not to interfere with the public on [List of Rights Here] and in return the public does not attempt to forcibly overthrow them

Yours and my opinions don't matter. Governments can not allow people on megaphones to sway public opinions. This was previously done by selected journalists that could help control the narrative. They have lost control ... they need to get it back, regardless of whether it is right or wrong.

The EU understands this and is quickly silencing the megaphones.

It's not a matter of opinion. That's why the US system works the way it does

EU citizens have no reliable method of fighting back, US citizens do

I am so naive

I'm 47 years old so I very well remember life before ubiquitous internet

I cut my teeth on Fidonet

US citizens will soon loose this. It is inevitable. Please note that I am just saying what will happen, not that I agree with it.

I remember watching Tianenmen Square happen in near real time from reports at the source.

I was a child pre broadband

@TraderPropShop then the US citizenry has allowed it to happen

I honestly thought the internet would bring us all together since we'd all have access to the same information and could all talk it out in one big forum.

The internet is too powerful of a tool for the common people, governments will have to curb it or anarchy will come - there justification of course.

Again, not saying I agree.

Just what will happen.

I don't buy that dichotomy tbh

But instead of people taking all this information and forming similar conclusions. People instead took thier conclusions and formed similar information.

It is just my prediction, it is already happening.

I'm still feeling gobsmacked at how it happened this way

People were consolidating power pre-internet my dude

If you allow people to accumulate power, they will attempt to. If you allow them to step over you to do so, they will

Congress will never allow free "megaphone" speech. They will say it is crying fire in a theater.

In 1946 veterans liberated a ballot box in TN with weapons that had just been used, en masse, in the recent world war. Today you cannot own a modern automatic as a civilian

Fire in a crowded theatre isn't a legal precedent

It was struck down forty years ago, approx.

And it's another example of govt consolidation of power

Every new bit of tech we get "ruins everything" in some other sector until we get used to it

You can wish all you want, this control of "megaphone" speech will happen. Sorry to say....

>if I just repeat my alarmism it makes it true

I think what keeps that happening is the fact the US is so evenly split down the middle that no one can agree on what speech to discourage

No alarmism, people will freely accept it, EU is ... so will the US. You will be a racist if you don't.

I think we're seeing in the US just how successful that would be

Not very

Sure a few like Tim Pool are calling it out ... he soon will be banned. You will be posting your comments into the "shadow banned" ether.

The president of the United States is essentially wearing the badge racist as an honor...and therefore essentially denying such a thing exists anymore

https://www.rt.com/usa/442371-mail-bomb-suspect-detained-/

Whether you agree it does or not is another matter, but that he is killing the term is pretty evident

Ok, confirmed: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-26/man-arrested-connection-suspected-explosive-packages

Now we wait, while they clean the social media imprint before name is released.

Market pop on this news ...

Who do you think is doing the cleaning?

Cleaning? FBI/CIA informs FB, Twitter, etc ... they have maybe 2 to 8hrs to do this.

They know the drill ...

The Miami Herald, meanwhile, reports that the suspect is in his 50s and is from Aventura. He is being questioned by FBI agents along with the joint terrorism task force.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article220667845.html

So the right or the left? Which agenda is being advantaged in your hypothesis?

>social media sites are the internet

If it is a Trump supporter, negative Trump. If the otherside ... the opposite, worth about 1 to 2% on the polls.

Could make the difference in the house take over.

It is what it is ....

But that doesn't answer what the point would be of such cleaning then

Who is pulling the strings?

Well, to ensure the narrative is clear ...

I'm really trying to follow you

Oh, so no one is in control?

It skews randomly?

Perhaps good news for Trump, as the market pop on the news ... but hard to tell ...

Market insiders know something? Or just a knee jerk reaction.

https://twitter.com/deusrex/status/1055842905808605184

Hard to tell the FBI is very political now ...