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2018-07-03 02:14:02 UTC


2018-07-03 02:14:53 UTC

might be an interesting confrontation between sanctuary cities and federal law enforcement.

2018-07-03 02:15:19 UTC

personally i'd love to see some of these sanctuary city asshats brought up on seditious conspiracy charges.

2018-07-03 02:15:47 UTC

the constitution clearly states that the congress has the power to set uniform laws regarding naturalization

2018-07-03 02:18:53 UTC

@JDM_WAAAT @Timcast Here is the story I mentioned in the Superchat earlier. Please just give me your opinion. We are doing a second round on it next Wednesday on the Hard News Network but please let me know if you're interested. I have 2-4 witnesses depending on availability to confirm everything I'm talking about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdynfibjB9o

2018-07-03 02:19:25 UTC

You should connect your youtube to your discord account

2018-07-03 02:19:50 UTC

I'll check it out

2018-07-03 02:22:01 UTC

@JDM_WAAAT this was originally on the Hard News Network and then my colleague @Canucklehead mirrored it back. You can see both me and JMSO in the video. He's the Canadian dude.

2018-07-03 02:42:36 UTC

@Starscream92 (ChefLeopard) Watching the video now. Are you the guy in the hat and glasses?

2018-07-03 02:44:07 UTC


2018-07-03 02:45:07 UTC

@RyeNorth I also have a link to @Canucklehead 's undercover call to John Mattes, and a link to his tweet of the fake article he wrote about him.

2018-07-03 02:46:00 UTC

I'm not in a position of any sort of journalistic power other than a specific region of Texas in the music industry, and that's even debatable. I'm just evaluating presentation. πŸ˜›

2018-07-03 02:46:19 UTC

lol. r u saying i look like a douche? u can be honest

2018-07-03 02:47:44 UTC

Like the Dearth Vader voice?

2018-07-03 02:47:55 UTC


2018-07-03 02:48:13 UTC

Basically this and a voice mod to protect your identity. πŸ˜›


2018-07-03 02:51:46 UTC

Lol, i don't always wear the hat and glasses. sometimes it's better for the lighting.

2018-07-03 02:53:54 UTC

I'm just being an ass since it was invited. πŸ˜›

2018-07-03 07:47:59 UTC

Abolish Ice caps not ICE. Then the flattards will see the ice doesn't hold the water on earth

2018-07-03 07:50:29 UTC

She better cover dem ankles the fuck back up

2018-07-03 08:46:01 UTC

Well that wasn't inevitable...

2018-07-03 08:46:32 UTC

"The European Commission has announced plans to make biometric ID cards compulsory across the bloc which will allow authorities to bar β€œterrorists and criminals” from accessing money and other services." why do i get the feel that terrorist and criminals will be the "free speech extremists"and not the grooming gangs and shit?

2018-07-03 08:48:20 UTC

Many countries are doing it though. It does simplify a lot of bureaucratic systems, but it also has huge privacy implications.

2018-07-03 08:52:55 UTC

@LOLTRON I dont see how biometric IDs supposed to allow to bar β€œterrorists and criminals” from accessing money and other services."

2018-07-03 08:53:12 UTC

technically ther capable of that already

2018-07-03 08:54:27 UTC

Whats worse if those bastards start to copy chinese social credit system

2018-07-03 08:54:39 UTC

There are ton of cameras in china

2018-07-03 08:55:25 UTC

if you jaywalk even on an empty street, system can automatically detect your face and impact your socual credit and put out a fine

2018-07-03 08:55:51 UTC

thers such a thing as way to much controll

2018-07-03 09:00:24 UTC

in b4 emotionally-charged "think of the children" arguments to sell 1984-style surveillance

2018-07-03 09:04:07 UTC

@vlnc.co think of the children thats why in UK u will now have to buy wanking pass from the goverment if u want to accses porn.

2018-07-03 09:08:14 UTC
2018-07-03 09:08:40 UTC

Yeh, Bearing did a great video on this...

2018-07-03 09:10:47 UTC

thanks for the heads-up; i'll have to check it out. and wow knives too?

2018-07-03 09:11:47 UTC

Yeh the knives thing.. That's just crazy.. I saw a video the other day of the Mayor of London defending it as the problem that needed to be solved to stop gang crime.. The audience wasn't having a bar of it.

2018-07-03 09:12:20 UTC

Knives arent the problem, lack of law enforcement and accountability is the problem.

2018-07-03 09:16:29 UTC

Quote from the Mayor of London on this topic: "No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law. "

2018-07-03 09:20:16 UTC

Meanwhile in Texas, you can open carry a katana.

2018-07-03 09:20:41 UTC

Not that anyone sane would because katanas are shit

2018-07-03 09:20:52 UTC

but glorious nippon steel

2018-07-03 09:21:18 UTC

I generally keep a rather large survival knife on me.

2018-07-03 09:21:37 UTC

The looks I get when someone asks if I've got a lighter, and I open the pommel of the knife and pull out a match. πŸ˜›

2018-07-03 09:21:52 UTC

Probably not a lot of mass Kanata-ings though

2018-07-03 09:22:07 UTC

Most Texans aren't Bruce Lee, I imagine...

2018-07-03 09:23:34 UTC

I actually do train with a bokken and a bo staff. πŸ˜›

2018-07-03 09:24:21 UTC

^ ^ ^ kind of eccentric.

2018-07-03 09:25:36 UTC

survival/utility knives are handy tools for sure. i bring a freshly sharpened 250mm chef knife over to my buddys house to meal prep every other week. between this and the uk judge who wanted to make everyone file their knife points down, i think people are going to hurt themselves trying to cut stuff with objects that are not designed to be used as knives

2018-07-03 09:27:00 UTC

Oh absolutely.

2018-07-03 09:27:15 UTC

Nothing more dangerous about a knife than dullness.

2018-07-03 09:27:32 UTC

Knife's liable to slip if you have to apply downward pressure

2018-07-03 09:27:55 UTC

Most chefs hone their blades daily.

2018-07-03 09:28:02 UTC

For a damn good reason, too.

2018-07-03 09:31:16 UTC

ive started to do daily honing at home too. leather strop + green compound; keeps the knives sharp enough to never slip on papery onion skins. added benefit of keeping them away from the stones for longer

2018-07-03 09:33:51 UTC

I always have my Victorinox knife with me. It's the most useful thing I own.

2018-07-03 09:34:15 UTC

it gets used on a daily basis.

2018-07-03 09:34:27 UTC

^ so handy

2018-07-03 09:34:57 UTC

nice heat treat on the victorinox blades. fine grain structure despite being stainless

2018-07-03 09:35:36 UTC

damn. this has to be satire...?

2018-07-03 09:35:50 UTC

So the police raided a Tradie then?

2018-07-03 09:36:03 UTC


2018-07-03 09:36:16 UTC

@vlnc.co UK police says it dosent have resources to fight crime but thank got they can go araund remove dangerous sticks

2018-07-03 09:36:31 UTC

I feel sorry for the constabulary though, they must look at these policies coming down from on high and must think `Are you being serious, mate?`

2018-07-03 09:36:37 UTC


2018-07-03 09:36:51 UTC

I mean...

2018-07-03 09:37:02 UTC

One of two outcomes with these things

2018-07-03 09:37:20 UTC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch_NuUgvb7s "You can take my stick from my cold dead hands..."

2018-07-03 09:37:27 UTC

Either these guys are so enthralled with their job that they confiscate sticks and think it's glorious work

2018-07-03 09:37:39 UTC

Or they are taking pictures of that shit sarcastically

2018-07-03 09:37:47 UTC

I think it's stranger than fiction, It's almost certainly true...

2018-07-03 09:37:50 UTC


2018-07-03 09:37:56 UTC

tots serious

2018-07-03 09:38:06 UTC

Think so?

2018-07-03 09:38:25 UTC

You don't think they might be bound to the law, and taking ridiculous pictures might be their quiet rebellion?

2018-07-03 09:39:25 UTC


2018-07-03 09:39:35 UTC

interesting. malicious compliance?

2018-07-03 09:39:36 UTC

theyr totaly brain dead

2018-07-03 09:39:55 UTC

I'm starting to think they might.

2018-07-03 09:40:04 UTC

They can't straight up say "this is ridiculous"

2018-07-03 09:40:24 UTC

but I find it hard to believe that they're not finding any knives whatsoever in those pictures.

2018-07-03 09:41:45 UTC

Why isn't intent a thing, when it comes to those searches and seizures? Is that factored in?

2018-07-03 09:42:43 UTC

Uhh.. Who's getting stabbed with a bike tire?

2018-07-03 09:42:54 UTC


2018-07-03 09:43:11 UTC

Is there a Speight of bike tire stabbings I haven't seen?

2018-07-03 09:43:13 UTC

aperently somone did

2018-07-03 09:43:51 UTC


2018-07-03 09:44:43 UTC

i thought the wood file in the previous picture was bad, but bicycle wheel takes the cake

2018-07-03 09:45:16 UTC

Not by force, obviously..

2018-07-03 09:45:45 UTC

centrifugal force

2018-07-03 09:45:52 UTC

Is that green thing a jerry can?

2018-07-03 09:46:12 UTC

See, THIS is the sort of shit I'm talking about!

2018-07-03 09:46:12 UTC

You can cut the plastic into a knife shape.

2018-07-03 09:46:15 UTC


2018-07-03 09:46:28 UTC

Jeeze, a bike wheel

2018-07-03 09:46:33 UTC

those spokes can be sharpened.

2018-07-03 09:46:41 UTC

That's, what, like 26 knives?

2018-07-03 09:46:53 UTC

They basically stopped a crime spree...

2018-07-03 09:47:18 UTC

Each one of those spokes is long enough to skewer two victims at once.

2018-07-03 09:47:25 UTC

That's 52 lives saved!

2018-07-03 09:47:29 UTC

What a monster!

2018-07-03 09:50:25 UTC

A British man was arrested Saturday after he was found walking the streets of Dunfermline, Scotland, with a potato peeler.

2018-07-03 09:50:29 UTC


2018-07-03 09:52:22 UTC

@LOLTRON did u know u cant buy eggs and spoons in uk in some places unless u can prove your not under age

2018-07-03 09:52:50 UTC

jfc. I thought blades under 3 inches were okay under the current laws though? potato peelers aren't that long. i think he should a-peel

2018-07-03 09:53:25 UTC

egg thing was apperently a one time thing foe halloween tho google the spoon thing and be amazed

2018-07-03 09:53:27 UTC

Britain's knife laws are basically youtube community guidelines.

2018-07-03 09:53:45 UTC

This is what I've learned today.

2018-07-03 09:53:51 UTC

I've got to go to bed.

2018-07-03 09:55:02 UTC

^ great analogy. egg and spoon thing is just ridiculous, speechless

2018-07-03 09:55:04 UTC


2018-07-03 10:04:43 UTC

@Arhiwolf Wow. Just when you think the tard cannot get more tard...

2018-07-03 10:05:04 UTC

@vlnc.co That's a paddlin'...

2018-07-03 11:21:12 UTC

i find it funny that the first article i saw people talking about since i went to sleep was about the EU so its like "good thing for the brexit" and then the rest of the night was showing all the shit that the uk government is doing incompatently

2018-07-03 11:28:22 UTC

That's not really a reason against Brexit. That's a reason against regressive politicians.

2018-07-03 11:29:50 UTC

At least with Brexit, there's just one government screwing things up. Without Brexit, the EU and Germany can bring their incompetence to bear as well.

2018-07-03 11:30:03 UTC

So by extension, Brexit means UK is reducing incompetence by 2/3.

2018-07-03 11:36:59 UTC

yeah i just realized the EU is also asking the uk to adopt biometric

2018-07-03 11:39:29 UTC

They likely will. Most western countries are...

2018-07-03 11:46:17 UTC

does the united states have biometric? wouldent be surprised that was added to us without anyone ever telling us

2018-07-03 11:46:38 UTC

also only 10 countrys in the eu had biometric in may

2018-07-03 11:46:49 UTC

and half of them were eastern european

2018-07-03 11:48:17 UTC

If you've ever had a DNA test, for any reason, it's almost certain they have your biometrics.

2018-07-03 11:48:48 UTC

poland, austria, slovenia, lithuania, latvia

2018-07-03 11:56:40 UTC

though i wonder if perhaps the problem with biometrics isint that it is used but rather how many things idenification is required for. identification has always been a thing throughout history, if you go somewhere the authority of anywhere you go wants to know who you are specificly so you wont cause any trouble, the evolution of identification has basicly been making sure that your who you say you are or so that no one is saying they are you besides you. in reality you have no reason to say you arnt who you are other than when your actively working against the authority in some reguard. however if you have an omnipressent requirement to display identification before making any action it becomes tracking and monitoring. if today your location is known because your identity is used 5 times then tomarrow its known because you had to use it 50 times, your life is tracked substantially more. the security of this identification has nothing to do with how often its demanded though.

2018-07-03 11:59:25 UTC

Case in point is having to identify yourself to watch porn in the UK.

2018-07-03 12:00:49 UTC


2018-07-03 12:01:27 UTC

The other, more concerning issue is there is no way that data is *not* going to get misused, stolen and exploited.

2018-07-03 12:07:34 UTC

it conserns you that data will in no way get misused, stolen, and exploited?

2018-07-03 12:08:38 UTC

whoops. Fixed that.

2018-07-03 12:09:11 UTC

`"Damnit, why is my massive database of 25million citizens not being hacked yet!"`

2018-07-03 12:13:10 UTC

If the Australian Census taught us anything, it's that the government shouldn't be responsible for protecting anything big-data related.

2018-07-03 12:19:54 UTC

its actually a fundomental job of the government to insure identification and regulating traffic within its borders though

2018-07-03 12:20:28 UTC

i think the idea of biometrics is that its harder to steal that information rather than just being a number your assigned at birth

2018-07-03 12:20:41 UTC

its tied to your dna

2018-07-03 12:25:43 UTC

Is it?

2018-07-03 12:25:47 UTC

I don't agree it is.

2018-07-03 12:27:12 UTC

steal my dna

2018-07-03 12:28:02 UTC

Sorry, no i mean I don't agree thats a fundamental job of the government...

2018-07-03 12:28:19 UTC

The DNA record they collect is assigned to a number. Your Social Sec number.

2018-07-03 12:28:23 UTC

if the government is to have a job it sure is

2018-07-03 12:28:31 UTC

Along with a metrick fuck-tonne of other metadata

2018-07-03 12:28:35 UTC

@Timcast please keep an eye on that crowd pac story censoring republicans from their platform id really like to know what happens with what the are doing about the election meddling argument that that girl is saying

2018-07-03 12:28:39 UTC

its one of the oldest jobs government has had

2018-07-03 12:28:47 UTC

like prostitution

2018-07-03 12:29:58 UTC

Lawyer and plumbers are also old jobs

2018-07-03 12:30:01 UTC

It may be something they do, but I don't agree its a responsibility of the government..

2018-07-03 12:31:25 UTC

A government's job is to protect its border, and defend citizens rights to property.

2018-07-03 12:31:29 UTC

That's fundamentally it

2018-07-03 12:31:34 UTC

Everything else is scope creep.

2018-07-03 12:31:39 UTC

@LOLTRON agree

2018-07-03 12:32:43 UTC

And i am coming from a position where I am okay with government delivering critical services like energy, health care and infrastructure... But i don't think the government should be unilaterally tracking its citizens.

2018-07-03 12:32:49 UTC

what good can come from that?

2018-07-03 12:35:03 UTC

you cant protect the border without identification

2018-07-03 12:35:25 UTC

unless you have a wall of fire around it

2018-07-03 12:35:36 UTC

but then that keeps your own people inside

2018-07-03 12:35:51 UTC

doesent really respect their freedom

2018-07-03 12:36:48 UTC

I'm not saying the government doesn't need to have a record of its citizens. But i do think they don't need biometrics

2018-07-03 12:36:57 UTC

biometrics just allows them to track citizens more easily

2018-07-03 12:37:06 UTC

I don't think tracking citizens should be somethign that can be done easily

2018-07-03 12:37:10 UTC

it should be hard, and expensive

2018-07-03 12:38:18 UTC

explain how its easier for a government to track with biometrics

2018-07-03 12:39:13 UTC

Biometrics includes facial recognition data.

2018-07-03 12:39:20 UTC

DNA is but one element of biometrics

2018-07-03 12:40:01 UTC

I have a friend who works for a multinational that sells facial recognition tech to government. They are throwing millions at this tech...

2018-07-03 12:40:05 UTC

They want it everywhere.

2018-07-03 12:41:52 UTC

see thats the thing "they want it everywhere" is the tracking part

2018-07-03 12:41:53 UTC

It's not enough to say that "I haven't done anything wrong, so i have nothign to fear...", knowing you are under constant surveillance can heavily influence behaviour of people who haven't done anything wrong.

2018-07-03 12:42:44 UTC

if facial recognition was only used during the same instances where normal identification is also used then it would be no more effective at tracking people than normal identification

2018-07-03 12:43:25 UTC

howeveri f you increase the demand for identification, essentaully putting more activitys behind a identification wall, it doesent matter what kind of id is used

2018-07-03 12:43:34 UTC

All that's required to do facial recognition is a photo.

2018-07-03 12:44:07 UTC

humans actually recognize faces better than machines do

2018-07-03 12:44:24 UTC

I'm not sure that's true any more

2018-07-03 12:44:30 UTC

i have evidence

2018-07-03 12:44:38 UTC

Citation required

2018-07-03 12:44:41 UTC

"I haven't done anything wrong, so i have nothing to fear..."

given the number of laws, its a pretty good chance you HAVE done something wrong.

2018-07-03 12:44:54 UTC

hell, even most people technically speed all day

2018-07-03 12:44:54 UTC

^ thats probably true

2018-07-03 12:45:14 UTC

but that doesn't justify mass surveillance.

2018-07-03 12:46:07 UTC

security vs convenience vs privacy is a battle that rages all the time and there is no right answer

2018-07-03 12:49:35 UTC

The company my mate works for, the system they deploy has >98% accuracy.

2018-07-03 12:49:49 UTC

with 1 photo as a source

2018-07-03 12:50:14 UTC

Granted, people have been matching faces for thousands of years, and are hard wired to do it...

2018-07-03 12:50:22 UTC

A significant portion of the brain is dedicated to it

2018-07-03 12:50:37 UTC

That doesn't make the risks of biometric tracking any less concerning

2018-07-03 12:52:11 UTC

how do you prevent identity theft while not allowing the government or even companies from being able to track you?

2018-07-03 12:52:42 UTC

Why would the government keeping your data discourage identity theft?

2018-07-03 12:53:23 UTC

what keeps them from demanding a company to hand it over?

2018-07-03 12:53:39 UTC

The government demanding?

2018-07-03 12:56:10 UTC

The more points of data to confirm your identity, the harder it is to fake. The more interconnected that data is from all entry and exits points, the harder it is to spoof.

2018-07-03 12:56:48 UTC

if a company can have access to the needed information, why wouldn't the government?

2018-07-03 12:57:05 UTC

When a govvernment entity verifys you... What do they ask for?

2018-07-03 12:57:11 UTC

Your name, Your Address, Your birthday

2018-07-03 12:57:18 UTC

Once they have that info... they have ALL of your metadata

2018-07-03 12:57:30 UTC

Those elements are trivial to find

2018-07-03 12:58:53 UTC

yes, all my metadata, including anything someone not me did using my name.

2018-07-03 12:59:58 UTC

but this is my point, security vs convenience vs privacy

2018-07-03 13:00:05 UTC

all of those points are at odds with one another

2018-07-03 13:00:15 UTC

everyone wants all of them

2018-07-03 13:00:23 UTC

There is a balance to be struck, for sure..

2018-07-03 13:00:39 UTC

But i don't think giving the government access to ALL metadata is a balance.

2018-07-03 13:00:42 UTC

that balance changes from person to person, from day to day

2018-07-03 13:00:57 UTC

The balance isn't reasonable. Not any more

2018-07-03 13:01:19 UTC

Mostly because the vast majority of people don't understand just how much data is being collected on them

2018-07-03 13:01:29 UTC

If they actually understood the scope of the machine at work, they would be horrified.

2018-07-03 13:02:16 UTC

if you have a welfare state, which you pay for with your taxes, wouldn't it be in your best interest for the government to make sure the people receiving welfare are actually in need of welfare?

2018-07-03 13:04:53 UTC

I didn't say they shouldn't have "some" data.. I just think they currently have too much.. And we certainly shouldn't be volunteering more.

2018-07-03 13:05:23 UTC

The government doesn't need more metadata to determine that.

2018-07-03 13:05:35 UTC

Your income statement is enough to calculate that.

2018-07-03 13:06:34 UTC

In this case, welfare would naturally become a "security over freedom" sort of deal, wouldn't it?

2018-07-03 13:07:16 UTC

I'm not necessarily in favour of that sort of welfare

2018-07-03 13:07:26 UTC

Neither am I in most circumstances.

2018-07-03 13:07:29 UTC

i support a safety net

2018-07-03 13:07:52 UTC

There is the debate over security vs freedom... I don;t necessarily agree that its a zero sum game

2018-07-03 13:08:03 UTC

the thing is computers recognize faces well, but only 2 dimensionally. they dont recognizes faces in motion, different angles, behavure and disguises confuse them. super recognizers can actually use very little shown of a human face at multiple angles to recongize them. face scanning identification where your required to hold your face in a certain position will detect faces neer perfectly thats for sure, thats where you get your 98% effeciency from, you dont get it from tracking people with the millions of low tech ctv cameras throughout the uk

2018-07-03 13:08:09 UTC

I think in the case of a natural disaster, social welfare is justifiable. Also in the case of a service shutdown of some sort.

2018-07-03 13:09:02 UTC

@Arch-Fiend that's not true any more.. Ive watched facial recognition systems track 30 people across an open square, and identify each of the people in the scene in real time, and the face doesn't even need to be facing the camera.

2018-07-03 13:09:08 UTC

the tech is both amazing, and terrifying

2018-07-03 13:09:37 UTC

do they track the faces or do they identify the faces?

2018-07-03 13:09:49 UTC

because face tracking and facial reognization are different things

2018-07-03 13:10:08 UTC

face tracking can pick up faces that arnt even real

2018-07-03 13:10:09 UTC


2018-07-03 13:10:18 UTC

Right. Also, keep in mind we do not even need facial recognition anymore. Do you realize most people store their fingerprints in their phones now? People are handing over PII to tech firms willingly with known ties to government agencies and sign ToS's that justify the distribution of that data.

2018-07-03 13:10:33 UTC

That's partially true

2018-07-03 13:10:34 UTC

at what point is catching a murder no longer important enough?

2018-07-03 13:10:39 UTC

your fingerprint isn't stored on your phone

2018-07-03 13:10:46 UTC

The hash of your fingerprint is..

2018-07-03 13:10:53 UTC

It's non-reversible.

2018-07-03 13:11:07 UTC

You carry around a tracking/surveillance device in your pocket/purse.

2018-07-03 13:11:16 UTC

Yes, you do.

2018-07-03 13:11:25 UTC

Well, we SAY it's non-reversible. I don't know if it is or isn't at this point.

2018-07-03 13:11:41 UTC

It has to be interpreted somehow, so if it can be translated in one way, it can be in the other as well.

2018-07-03 13:12:24 UTC

you can't use GPS without requesting and receiving a GPS signal to your device, so you can't complain when someone is able to find your device to send that signal too.

2018-07-03 13:12:25 UTC

It's a fundamental part of cryptography

2018-07-03 13:12:28 UTC


2018-07-03 13:12:42 UTC

You can generate the hash from the fingerprint, but you cant generate the fingerprint fromt he hash

2018-07-03 13:12:51 UTC

Oh, I agree with you, I just don't trust government or tech firms not to lie about said non-reversibility.

2018-07-03 13:13:05 UTC

@Grenade123 You're right about that.

2018-07-03 13:13:08 UTC

Oh neither do i. Fortunately the math behind it doesn't lie

2018-07-03 13:13:23 UTC

That what makes cryptology such an important asset to protect

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