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2018-07-03 06:07:47 UTC [Subverse #new-member-alert]  

2018-07-03 06:12:23 UTC [Subverse #bot-commands]  


2018-07-03 09:00:24 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

in b4 emotionally-charged "think of the children" arguments to sell 1984-style surveillance

2018-07-03 09:08:14 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  
2018-07-03 09:10:47 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

thanks for the heads-up; i'll have to check it out. and wow knives too?

2018-07-03 09:16:29 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

Quote from the Mayor of London on this topic: "No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law. "

2018-07-03 09:20:52 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

but glorious nippon steel

2018-07-03 09:25:36 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

survival/utility knives are handy tools for sure. i bring a freshly sharpened 250mm chef knife over to my buddys house to meal prep every other week. between this and the uk judge who wanted to make everyone file their knife points down, i think people are going to hurt themselves trying to cut stuff with objects that are not designed to be used as knives

2018-07-03 09:31:16 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

ive started to do daily honing at home too. leather strop + green compound; keeps the knives sharp enough to never slip on papery onion skins. added benefit of keeping them away from the stones for longer

2018-07-03 09:34:27 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

^ so handy

2018-07-03 09:34:57 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

nice heat treat on the victorinox blades. fine grain structure despite being stainless

2018-07-03 09:35:36 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

damn. this has to be satire...?

2018-07-03 09:36:37 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  


2018-07-03 09:39:35 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

interesting. malicious compliance?

2018-07-03 09:42:54 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  


2018-07-03 09:44:43 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

i thought the wood file in the previous picture was bad, but bicycle wheel takes the cake

2018-07-03 09:45:45 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

centrifugal force

2018-07-03 09:52:50 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

jfc. I thought blades under 3 inches were okay under the current laws though? potato peelers aren't that long. i think he should a-peel

2018-07-03 09:55:02 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

^ great analogy. egg and spoon thing is just ridiculous, speechless

2018-07-03 09:55:04 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  


2018-07-03 22:16:14 UTC [Subverse #general]  



2018-07-03 23:50:00 UTC [Subverse #general]  

send bobs

2018-07-03 23:51:25 UTC [Subverse #general]  

timbits are still great tho πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

2018-07-03 23:52:53 UTC [Subverse #general]  

true 😦

2018-07-05 01:44:56 UTC [Subverse #general]  

wish there was native functionality to make a one-time donation on patreon, my hunch is that there would be more patrons that way

2018-07-05 01:45:32 UTC [Subverse #general]  

yeah on his website but i think it was a monthly subscription

2018-07-05 01:46:00 UTC [Subverse #general]  

i was looking for ways to make a one time donation but had to hack it by subbing to the $100 patreon tier and cancelling after the charge went through.

2018-07-05 01:46:20 UTC [Subverse #general]  

ah didn't know about streamlabs, thanks

2018-07-06 19:53:22 UTC [Subverse #general]  

For those skeptical about crypto but who are still in favor of the idea that valuable content should be rewarded with real world value instead of just internet points, I built vlnc.co as an experiment to see if such a community could thrive.

2018-07-06 20:11:25 UTC [Subverse #general]  

i think yt is breaking even now

2018-07-06 20:14:40 UTC [Subverse #general]  

on the flip side google shot down the employee petition to tie exec compensation to diversity metrics

2018-07-06 20:15:54 UTC [Subverse #general]  

i think thats true for most big corps, the difference is where you draw the line to maintain a certain image vs all other business factors

2018-07-06 20:17:16 UTC [Subverse #general]  

yeah but for example if they cant hire good ppl because they feel that google discriminates against them - also lost profits

2018-07-06 20:19:04 UTC [Subverse #general]  

@Graylan | gray00 it is similar to steemit where ppl can super-like posts to give it more publicity and to contribute to the author with real money, minus the pyramid scheme-ness of steemit. I made a short post describing my motivations for creating it here: https://www.vlnc.co/post/XXTMYJQNoBMZZ4SBb

2018-07-06 20:23:34 UTC [Subverse #general]  

true, but i'm concerned that the devs own like 80% of the token value, and the voting power differences. it's good to hear that you and your friends have seen success on the platform, perhaps i should give it another look

2018-07-06 20:25:02 UTC [Subverse #general]  

^ good to hear that its down to 70 now

2018-07-06 20:25:52 UTC [Subverse #general]  

cool ill have to check it out

2018-07-06 20:25:59 UTC [Subverse #general]  

btw vlnc is free to use as well, and donations are fixed at $5 so everyone has the same voting power

2018-07-06 20:26:11 UTC [Subverse #general]  

i wanted to avoid the effect of whales manipulating a certain narrative

2018-07-06 20:26:22 UTC [Subverse #general]  


2018-07-06 20:28:16 UTC [Subverse #general]  

pls feel free to dm me ideas, always good go get new perspectives. free speech unfettered by advertisers is what im going for. going to build in edit diffs and opt-in moderation lists next

2018-07-06 20:29:09 UTC [Subverse #general]  

awesome, that seems like a promising system. yes i want to use something like that or mastodon once private posts become available

2018-07-06 20:29:15 UTC [Subverse #general]  

since everything is public rn i didnt see a need

2018-07-06 20:29:29 UTC [Subverse #general]  

thanks man

2018-07-06 20:51:06 UTC [Subverse #fake-news]  

nice that they clarified this bit tho, re: capital gazette: 'His motives were his own -- he held a grudge against the paper for its coverage of a criminal harassment claim against him -- and had nothing to do with Trump's repeated rhetorical attack on the media as "fake." Full stop.'

2018-07-06 20:55:17 UTC [Subverse #general]  

seems like a reasonable way to transition tbh. dont want to throw out the baby with the bathwater

2018-07-06 21:11:08 UTC [Subverse #general]  

^ threads would help with that

2018-07-06 21:15:33 UTC [Subverse #general]  

what do we do with all the ppl who cant compete in a free market

2018-07-06 21:21:11 UTC [Subverse #general]  

i think its a curve

2018-07-06 21:21:16 UTC [Subverse #general]  

and not linear

2018-07-06 21:22:37 UTC [Subverse #general]  

cutting it too much means you cant afford certain people or machines that are highly efficient, there is a curve where you get maximum price/performance

2018-07-06 21:25:47 UTC [Subverse #fake-news]  

if the media always put truth above rhetoric then we would probably not be here in this chat room

2018-07-06 21:28:27 UTC [Subverse #general]  

i think a totally free market naturally tends towards monopolies because of economies of scale, there needs to be some method of encouraging competition in order to advance economies

2018-07-06 21:29:39 UTC [Subverse #general]  

agree that monopolies are bad, but either extreme creates monopolies

2018-07-06 21:30:25 UTC [Subverse #general]  

standard oil

2018-07-06 21:30:38 UTC [Subverse #general]  

the bigger you get the cheaper per unit of x you can buy

2018-07-06 21:31:02 UTC [Subverse #general]  

which is why we have antitrust laws

2018-07-06 21:31:14 UTC [Subverse #general]  

yes that also comes with scale

2018-07-06 21:31:18 UTC [Subverse #general]  

and i agree is bad

2018-07-06 21:31:34 UTC [Subverse #general]  

you can buy out politicians if youre huge - shouldnt be able to do that

2018-07-06 21:33:48 UTC [Subverse #general]  

morally speaking there is a conflict of interests, since politicians present themselves as serving the people

2018-07-06 21:33:57 UTC [Subverse #general]  

but interesting question

2018-07-06 21:36:03 UTC [Subverse #general]  

i think both parties are in the wrong in that situation

2018-07-06 21:37:08 UTC [Subverse #general]  

in addition to cost/unit benefits of larger scale, you also have network effects in some industries where ppl naturally tend to bigger networks (like social media)

2018-07-06 21:39:52 UTC [Subverse #general]  

so the problem is once monopolies get established they could then in theory now charge whatever they want

2018-07-06 21:40:55 UTC [Subverse #general]  

tobacco, steel, oil, ...

2018-07-06 21:41:23 UTC [Subverse #general]  

maerkets whre thre is only comcast

2018-07-06 21:44:31 UTC [Subverse #general]  

chicken and egg right? they only get privileges from govt after they got huge. even without govt inteference the barrier to entry in building a telecom network is massive. early adoper / network effects wins

2018-07-06 22:06:41 UTC [Subverse #general]  

i dunno if ownership is always "absolute". i think the limits start to appear when your ownership negatively affects other people's lives. if you buy a concert speaker system for your house and live in a neighborhood with other houses nearby, playing it full blast at 3am should probably be restricted somehow

2018-07-06 22:07:13 UTC [Subverse #general]  


2018-07-06 22:08:19 UTC [Subverse #general]  
2018-07-06 22:10:30 UTC [Subverse #general]  

yes i agree but now you no longer have absolute control over what is technically your own property. i agree that property rights are good, but dunno if it is or should be absolute

2018-07-06 22:11:26 UTC [Subverse #general]  


2018-07-06 22:14:05 UTC [Subverse #general]  

well lets say the sound system is so loud that it can pollute a neighboring hoa

2018-07-06 22:14:56 UTC [Subverse #general]  

shouldnt there be laws to restrict that from happening too?

2018-07-06 22:15:42 UTC [Subverse #general]  

but the neighboring hoa had no contractual agreement with you

2018-07-06 22:17:50 UTC [Subverse #general]  

yeah, and i think that's a good thing. im arguing that certain limitations to ownership that includes everyone in a juristiction isnt always a bad thing.

2018-07-06 22:45:11 UTC [Subverse #general]  

@Poptarts well either i misunderstood your original argument or it seems like youve changed your argument; before in the water example you were arguing for absolute ownership, but now seem to agree that there should be limits in some cases. the main difference seems to be that you are for private governance vs what we have today. one could argue that a democratic govt is also built on "contracts that are layered upon each other voluntarily and consentually" though.

2018-07-06 22:51:49 UTC [Subverse #general]  

@Poptarts right but in a micro private governance, what if there is a tribe that lives downstream that also has water tech but your tribe is polluting that stream with your tech? some problems may indeed be better resolved in a micro govt with greater consensus and consent, but some decisions have macro-effects. such as pollution

2018-07-06 22:52:51 UTC [Subverse #general]  

i dont think its a silver bullet at all

2018-07-06 22:59:24 UTC [Subverse #general]  

one problem i see with doing away with our govt is that historically the way of resolving disputes between tribes often results in endemic warfare and subversion, stunting a society's ability to grow and thrive relative to the rest of the world, leading it to be susceptible to being conquered

2018-07-06 23:01:20 UTC [Subverse #general]  

but how to we ensure valid contracts on the macro scale?

2018-07-06 23:01:30 UTC [Subverse #general]  

without a government

2018-07-06 23:02:09 UTC [Subverse #general]  

what if you dont consent?

2018-07-06 23:04:19 UTC [Subverse #general]  

i meant what if i dont consent to being governed by a government in the world of private governance

2018-07-06 23:06:27 UTC [Subverse #general]  

yes but what if i still live within the confines of what the government holds jurisdiction over. lets say i was born there and dont want to move

2018-07-06 23:16:28 UTC [Subverse #general]  

but we both agreed that there needs to be some form of macro governance because some problems are macro scale. and enforcing the laws of that macro govt requires some form of centralized authority (i.e., preventing several disparate private legal systems across the land from polluting shared natural resources). if you are a polluting tribe, you will have votes from non-polluting tribes forced upon you "arbitrarily by mob rule". i dont see how the macro governance in a private system would be more benevolent than the macro governance today.

2018-07-06 23:16:39 UTC [Subverse #general]  

ya same need to get some work done

2018-07-06 23:16:54 UTC [Subverse #general]  

nice chat tho πŸ‘

2018-07-06 23:17:31 UTC [Subverse #general]  


2018-07-07 06:10:41 UTC [Subverse #dank-memes-only]  

@Tohob i don't think that's a 'shop; joe rogan had dave rubin hold it too

2018-07-07 06:11:09 UTC [Subverse #dank-memes-only]  

_teleports behind you_

nothing personal, bucko

2018-07-07 06:11:48 UTC [Subverse #dank-memes-only]  

the lighting is kinda weird too

2018-07-07 06:22:08 UTC [Subverse #dank-memes-only]  

*its true i saw it on webMD

2018-07-07 06:33:11 UTC [Subverse #dank-memes-only]  

your first words: "nani?!"

2018-07-08 02:18:54 UTC [Subverse #fake-news]  

surprising that they haven't changed the bomb emoji yet

2018-07-08 02:19:05 UTC [Subverse #fake-news]  

revolver on linux also

2018-07-08 02:21:15 UTC [Subverse #fake-news]  

yep. "if i dont have to see it then it doesnt exist"

2018-07-08 02:50:02 UTC [Subverse #fake-news]  

tru tho

2018-07-09 00:48:35 UTC [Subverse #general]  

the unethical part imo is that insurance companies pay a much lower rate than ppl who don't have insurance

2018-07-09 00:48:42 UTC [Subverse #general]  

dunno how the chargemaster is still a thing

2018-07-09 07:20:12 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

u wot m8

2018-07-09 07:24:49 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

#6 πŸ€”

2018-07-09 09:30:26 UTC [Subverse #dank-memes-only]  


2018-07-09 23:23:01 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

it's easier to bring others down than you improve yourself

2018-07-09 23:37:25 UTC [Subverse #general]  

tyt was so smug at first lol

2018-07-10 03:11:47 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

civility literally out the window

2018-07-10 03:12:04 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

also the hole looks like pikachu

2018-07-10 03:13:48 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

these radicalized pokemans need to be stahped

2018-07-10 03:49:35 UTC [Subverse #general]  

@GingaBomber clinton style corporate liberal i think

2018-07-10 07:44:27 UTC [Subverse #general]  

im sure we've all seen this but all this talk about killing birbs is going to backfire on us once this guy builds his bird army https://youtu.be/uguXNL93fWg

2018-07-10 19:38:36 UTC [Subverse #shitposting]  

it might be 4d chess where if mit can show that they are putting the allocated ip addresses to use then they can keep them. they might be hoarding them for future stuff like wifi connected lights and multipl processors.

2018-07-10 19:42:24 UTC [Subverse #shitposting]  


2018-07-10 19:43:01 UTC [Subverse #shitposting]  

i bet that's the motivation behind this config

2018-07-10 23:08:45 UTC [Subverse #general]  

yeah i think as long as the sharing is relevant and adds real value to the audience in the discussion, not repetitive/spammy, etc, don't see anything wrong with it. i got my friend into tim pool's vids because we were talking about sweden and his series felt topical and organic to share

2018-07-12 08:59:15 UTC [Subverse #general]  

ethically questionable photos i think?

2018-07-12 09:00:09 UTC [Subverse #general]  

the vulture + girl photographer (Kevin Carter) unfortunately committed suicide at only 33. "I'm really, really sorry. The pain of life overrides the joy to the point that joy does not exist. ...depressed ... without phone ... money for rent ... money for child support ... money for debts ... money!!! ... I am haunted by the vivid memories of killings & corpses & anger & pain ... of starving or wounded children, of trigger-happy madmen, often police, of killer executioners ... I have gone to join Ken if I am that lucky. "

2018-07-12 09:00:50 UTC [Subverse #general]  

sad thing is his photo is arguably the least unethical of these, he used a supertelephoto so the vulture was actually quite far from the girl despite looking like it was close

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