Fuckers hide behind children

but im off to dinner, so i'll leave you guys to it

yes, Palestinians are thugs

thats why i'll side with the Israelis, despite me not liking them a lot either 😛

Night guys

hmmm etherium up 10% today

this is the british MP i was talking about... whats the brackets for? https://twitter.com/DawnButlerBrent

a symbol of solidarity with the jews?

well, the party has been accused often of anti-semitism

yeah, would make sense to try and counteract it with some virtue signalling like that wouldn't it?

I thought they indicated being a jew

er.. what just happened? stock market had a seizure

how bad of a seizure? nuclear war seizure or?

nah just a 20points downs and up

but very immediate

why is youtube recommending me "rebel media" :/ am I that far gone 😛

damn I should have caught that dip in the stock market... i was looking for a way to add more

@Timcast https://twitter.com/CountDankulaTV/status/992088957725818880 😛

hmmmmm

im pretty much on dankulas side regarding his conviction but im also not sure there would be a better channel than mine. I see a lot of poeple offering but they are overly partisan

can always float it out there.. see if both agree

it is really hard to find a channel that is generally more neutral than yours

saw a suggestion for Rubin

even rubin is less neutral 😄

Does Tim have a video going through the political compass test like sargons?

not that i know of (or could find it)

you know whats weird... on the political compass... if you look at the US candidates.. after they put them through it turns out that Hillary is actually right wing of Trump

Think he did it with we are change but not sure.

And Hillary is just wherever the money is.

oh no! they updated the site and its not there anymore 😦

ah ok.. https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

that seems very wrong

https://puu.sh/Afno4/6e7d8a180b.png

its not based on their personality - only their official policies I believe

how is sanders so to the center then?

i just read through the suggestions... lol @ suggestion of styx and the answer by Stuchbery... "not even if he put a shirt on" 😂

heh yeah... i saw another suggesting PJW

how is clinton not breaking the authoritarian scale?

I dont think her policies are that authoritarian ... compared to some previous rulers

how is Trump so up there too

definitely on the scale tho

I was dead center then moved to center right. On the border of authoritarian/libertarian.

I was dead centre then over time moved to libertarian-centre

Im nearly half way down now :/ so .. something I gotta work on i guess

i'm still somewhere in the libertarian left but pretty centered and generally see each "policy" on its own

ima bit south of sanders

judging by that second "map" that seems a reasonable spot to be.

i think its a good indicator so you know how to better yourself... if you're slightly left... think about some right-wing ideas... slightly liberal - think of some authoritarian ideas... try and work towards the centre

if youre slightly right wing you might have to entertain some socialistic ideas 😃

i don't think being exactly in the middle is necessarily a good thing... to me its more important to know where you stand, why you are there and what the arguments against your positions are.

if you arent in the centre, it means you are closing your mind off to other ideas

I think I get what Falko's saying. I consider myself centrist, but that doesn't mean I'm neutral on every issue out there. You can understand where someone is coming from without agreeing with them.

total center?

^

or just center as left and right is concerned?

not really... it just means that there are more positions on which you agree with "the left"... not even the "extreme left", just "the left"

You cant be perfect centre. We're all inclined in some way biologically and psychologically

I'm starting to entertain the notion that maybe true neutral isn't really something someone *needs* to strive for and it's more of an emphasis on actually being able to listen and understand other people's opinions. ..I say this as someone that's usually center/center on most days.

Drifts based on mood, you know how it is.

Im just saying, it gives you an indication of your own bias .. and something to watch out for ... and maybe open your mind to opposing ideas on the compass

sure, i can agree with that

Agreed

Though having solid facts would help a ton.

Same thing, in a broader sense when it comes to personality imo

I kinda see it as a big target... and youre kinda aiming for the bullseye... but you still get lots of points for getting near the centre 😃

For example, I still have a problem differentiating socialism and communism because there doesn't seem to be a solid definition anymore.

Soviet russia was communist. Venuzuela is socialist. I'm not seeing much of a difference in how they're functioning or acting right now.

Makes it really hard to accept 'socialist' ideas.

The left dont like borders, so their ideologies kinda blend together cuz of that lol

I saw a video on this recently.. someone explaining that communism has actually "never been tried" ... that old chestnut... but they were basically saying that all these countries were actually just socialist

Which, in all honesty, pushes me even further away from the idea of socialism.

it is not important if one likes borders or not, they are necessary.

enlightened alt centrists unite

Wakanda forever!

`pls no`

when the left says "kill all kittens", and the right says "no dont kill any kittens", the obvious correct answer is to kill half of the kittens!

Hear hear.

gotta balance the universe somehow

"true" communism is kinda impossible as it require everyone to think the same thing without descent, socialism is meant to be a transition to that but its all a pipe dream

a regular centrist would compare both possitions and pic the one that suits him more, but the enlightened alt centrists do everything half

everyone who says that "real communism/socialismm has not been tried" is an self absorbed idiot. seriously... do they REALLY think that somehow THEY know better than any leader that tried it?

From what I've heard, the only time "true communism" works is when it's a very small, tight knit community wherein everyone *trusts* one another.

Moment the trust is gone and there's uncertainty things go out the window. This is ignoring human nature as well but, yeah.

I do find interesting how social values can shift through "the left" and "the right" .. like religious conservativism used to be "the right", but now its on the left.. and free speech was on "the left" but now its on "the right"

you can make anything work with a small group of people

Honestly? No. I've yet to see a community where it really goes that deep and nobody has to worry about trust issues. At least, if we're talking more than a handful of people at best.

@Giant Energy Penis very true. It require no outside interference as well. Which is why Marx said it needed to be a world wide revolution all at once for it to be successful

@wacka I've also been considering that the old standards of "left vs right" really are just that. Old and antiquated.

Might need a new system to properly define things.

Marx also said that he is not a Marxist

Penis, people have been saying that for years now

lol yup, Marx def wasnt a marxist

well.. people could start using left-authoritarian and left-liberal... same with right-authoritarian and right-liberal

I haven't heard too many people talking about it. Just using the terms "the left" and "the right" to explain the systems we have in place.

people are kind of using it already

@wacka Wait... so you assume that if people aren't in the center they are close minded? Reallly?

For me it's been "libertarian/authoritarian" "globalist/..nationalist"?

but I would say antifa confuses that... they preach authoritarianism but practice liberal anarchism

Forgot which word I've been using as the opposite of globalist, it's been a while.

antifa confuses fascist with cars

@.B I didnt mean close minded - just closing their minds of some ideas on the opposing compass side