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Just joined. Hi all.

Haha, it was actually a reference to Omega Weapon from Final Fantasy. The username is about 20 years old. I just never changed it across most platforms.

I'm a nerd, hence the obscure NES character logo 😛

In this case, welfare would naturally become a "security over freedom" sort of deal, wouldn't it?

Neither am I in most circumstances.

I think in the case of a natural disaster, social welfare is justifiable. Also in the case of a service shutdown of some sort.

Right. Also, keep in mind we do not even need facial recognition anymore. Do you realize most people store their fingerprints in their phones now? People are handing over PII to tech firms willingly with known ties to government agencies and sign ToS's that justify the distribution of that data.

You carry around a tracking/surveillance device in your pocket/purse.

Well, we SAY it's non-reversible. I don't know if it is or isn't at this point.

It has to be interpreted somehow, so if it can be translated in one way, it can be in the other as well.

Oh, I agree with you, I just don't trust government or tech firms not to lie about said non-reversibility.

@Grenade123 You're right about that.

Could be true, sure. I know only a bit about cryptography in tech.

My skepticism is fueled by a lack of trust.

...as all skepticism is, I suppose.

In government and corporations.

Hahahaha

I'm a 100% Free Market Capitalist, therefore I support the average working guy, the small business owner, the freelance Web designer... NOT Google, Wall Street, or the Beltway. So, when I hear about things like "tracking" and "facial recognition", I fear there may be some truth behind it.

Governments are going to use tech to oppress and control. It's what governments do.

Government's natural direction is to grow state power. Freedom limits growth, therefore freedom must be limited.

@Grenade123 I suppose, in the eyes of the government, it would depend on who the victim is.

I would say catching a murderer is important, but we were catching killers before mass Internet surveillance and if you can show me data PROVING this rate of arrest has been improved for the better, I'll believe it. Still, even then I'd have to weigh it against the validity of sacrificing freedoms of everyone to catch about 1% of criminals, which I generally would not do.

True

Mass Murders are statistically 0

True

Mass shootings/murders make up a fraction of homicides per year.

Serial murder?

even rarer than mass murder

Media hyperbole.

The MSM MAKES these things scary. They are scary, but the odds of being the victim of a mass homicide event in the US is slimmer than being in a plane crash or getting hit by a train.

Well...

I would say it depends on your interpretation of MSM.

I could say, the 15th Century equivalent of the MSM would be the church scaring people about Satan.

chat's so fast... hahaha

Yet even in an age of surveillance, personal bias is still a factor.

Well,

True, but does that make it okay?

It's a philosophical point, isn't it?

At what point does it become okay to be invasive in favor of security? At which point does said security begin to violate the 4th Amendment as well?

Keep in mind, "as much power as you think" is subjective and immeasurable. Government will seek power where it can get it.

This is proven by history.

Yep. It's just like the Patriot Act, which is fundamentally unconstitutional.

It's not an "all or nothing" scenario so much as it is attempting to curtail a growth of state power before it can become totalitarian.

If you approach such ideas with a shrug "this time", it eventually snowballs.

I would agree with that, sure.

...and why is that?

Could it be that government is corruptible and very, very bias?

@Starscream92 (ChefLeopard) could you repost?

tyvm

I think that would very from case-to-case

Whether or not something works is entirely dependent on implementation and execution.

Thank you @Starscream92 (ChefLeopard)

Also, Hard Bastard is awesome.

Oh good deal. You guys do good work.

I'm watching now at work between tasks. I will re-post if I remember too, hahaha. If it gets busy and I have to pause and return a lot, I may forget, but I'll try to make it a point share again. Thanks for the good work!

I just finished watching it in pieces here. Good interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRbU7S8HUM4