i don't really care for left/right... i look at a given policy and decide what i think is best... i really hate the partisan bullshit

don't look at me then 😦 i'm a radical centrist

Oh, so am I. I've gone so far as to call myself a 'militant centrist'. 😛

thats too sane

It's really not a matter of 'left' vs 'right' anyway

yeah

its a "capitalist vs socialist"

its a matter of idiots vs idiots

The true place where peace and diversity exists is in the anti-authoritarian part of the spectrum.

us being the capitalist, and both "left" and "alt-right" being socialists

i'm not a capitalist

do you believe in private ownership and working hard for your own gains?

capitalism ends with "-ism", which means it's bad

centrism, pacifism, humanitarianism

i don't believe in work, way too much work for my taste 😄

all bad

so any political spectrum is bad to you? 😮

if you use only that... yes

well, anything right-wing is capitalism
Anything leftwing is socialism/communism
and that leaves centrism

you have to pick and choose from all to get to a good place

thats centrism

you have to pick from that too 😉

but centrism... nah... not really... the right balance is not in the center...

(nitpicking, i know)

it is actually, the absolute center

if you go authoritarian you step on people
if you go too liberal, you leave the floor open to authoritarians to gain power
If you go too left, you get too decentralised and idiots can take over
if you go too right, you gain caste systems

best to say in the center and declare "all have good and bad points, lets pick the best of all"

if you that simple then yeah

well there is no more details to it

if you stray too far in any direction, you gain utopic ideals that wont work due to "humanity"

utopic ideals do not not work because "humanity" but because they are stupid

not really

If everyone does what the utopic ideal needs, you get that version of utopia

you need center right to keep on a steady path and you need center left to optimize that path..

if everyone works their fullest for no "extra benefit" and doesn't complain, communism/socialism works

If everyone works their hardest and accepts not everyone can be at the top, anarcho-capitalism works

too far too each side and the system goes crazy

neither of those are possible

exactly, cuz of humanity

communism is a bullshit idea that hates humans

exactly

but if humans were robots, it would work

hence, humanity making it flawed, not the "ideal" being stupid

the ideal is stupid

^^^

the idea is stupid because humans can never accomplish it

the ideal is solid

everyone works what best they can without a special reward, so taht everyone can survive due to enough production being made and no one being left out

it would be stupid if humans could accomlish it

yup, because nothing would evolve

and there would be no incentive to

there would be 😮 what makes you think there wouldn't?

if your ideal is "everyone survives" your ideal is stupid

things would evolve because the people who are happy workers will just invent stuff because "why not?"

evolution is all about coming up with an advantage over other things, if that doesn't exist

then it wont happe

its not about everyone survives

its about "i'm a doctor, i save lives daily, and i don't need the extra money, here someone else can have it" same for workers, farmers, engineers, scientists etc

and normal workers too

plumbers working with a smile with their hands covered in clogged toilet poop

Which doesn't work for humans, because we're lazy greedy bastards that want more and more

Lazy isn't the proper term

I wouldn't say that humans are lazy by default.

because if a doctor or somewhat with the fortitude to be one can get by with the same rewards of being a janitor, why would they push themselves? there has to be an initative.. humans aren't that altrustic to think it would happen otherwise

and socialists/communists always think they'll be the ones at the top

But they forget that even a society where everyone gets food/water/tools etc
needs people picking up trash and poop

At least in US culture, I'd wager that people are most unhappy when they're unproductive.

@LotheronPrime thats exactly why it wouldn't work

For communism/socialism to work, doctors etc would need to want to do it out of their own free will

yup

will never happen

exactly

because humans wouldn't do it

i can see doctors do it out of their free will

some doctors

sure

not enough though

Some doctors would.

You've got to consider the reasoning behind different career choices. Some people arrive at the same career through different paths and personality types.

not enough people would study for months on end, whole evenings etc whilst their counterparts go out and bang chicks cuz, who cares, you get paid the same, you get the same house and car value

that, exactly

and I argue that's a bad outlook on life

the inherent problem is that the focus of communism is completely wrong

you'd get some people sure

But not nearly enough

we're supposed to THRIVE

You've got doctors that want to help people, you've also got doctors who like the godlike power of life/death.

Some do it out of empathy, some do it out of ego.

thriving is competition.. all species are in competition

yes, and a big fat paycheck is good motivation too

its just the natural way of things

but if your paycheck equals that of a janitor.. where's the motivation beyond altruism?

communism says everyone should be/have "the same" while the focus should ba that everyone should have as much as possible.

but thats why it wont work

Humans aren't generally "Oh i'll work my hardest for no extra cost cuz i'm just that nice"

besies

besides

you CAN DO THAT NOW

if you're a doctor

you can do it for free

or janitor wages

now if you so choose

and yet very few do

so given the choice, it doesn't happen, so you can't force it with acceptable results

of course there are those that do

but not enough for it to be anything more than a rounding error.. lets be honest

@I AM ERROR you don't understand communism then

Its not about everyone getting "the same"

Its about everyone working their hardest on whatever job they're doing, and not expecting anything extra compared to others, the end result will be everyone gets "the same" but its by choice, not to make things fair

Thats why it wont work, because humans don't work for that amount of payoff

most drs donate their time to doctors without borders or something similar.. but they still make hefty wages at home