exactly

but if humans were robots, it would work

hence, humanity making it flawed, not the "ideal" being stupid

the ideal is stupid

^^^

the idea is stupid because humans can never accomplish it

the ideal is solid

everyone works what best they can without a special reward, so taht everyone can survive due to enough production being made and no one being left out

it would be stupid if humans could accomlish it

yup, because nothing would evolve

and there would be no incentive to

there would be 😮 what makes you think there wouldn't?

if your ideal is "everyone survives" your ideal is stupid

things would evolve because the people who are happy workers will just invent stuff because "why not?"

evolution is all about coming up with an advantage over other things, if that doesn't exist

then it wont happe

its not about everyone survives

its about "i'm a doctor, i save lives daily, and i don't need the extra money, here someone else can have it" same for workers, farmers, engineers, scientists etc

and normal workers too

plumbers working with a smile with their hands covered in clogged toilet poop

Which doesn't work for humans, because we're lazy greedy bastards that want more and more

Lazy isn't the proper term

I wouldn't say that humans are lazy by default.

because if a doctor or somewhat with the fortitude to be one can get by with the same rewards of being a janitor, why would they push themselves? there has to be an initative.. humans aren't that altrustic to think it would happen otherwise

and socialists/communists always think they'll be the ones at the top

But they forget that even a society where everyone gets food/water/tools etc
needs people picking up trash and poop

At least in US culture, I'd wager that people are most unhappy when they're unproductive.

@LotheronPrime thats exactly why it wouldn't work

For communism/socialism to work, doctors etc would need to want to do it out of their own free will

yup

will never happen

exactly

because humans wouldn't do it

i can see doctors do it out of their free will

some doctors

sure

not enough though

Some doctors would.

You've got to consider the reasoning behind different career choices. Some people arrive at the same career through different paths and personality types.

not enough people would study for months on end, whole evenings etc whilst their counterparts go out and bang chicks cuz, who cares, you get paid the same, you get the same house and car value

that, exactly

and I argue that's a bad outlook on life

the inherent problem is that the focus of communism is completely wrong

you'd get some people sure

But not nearly enough