Lazy isn't the proper term

I wouldn't say that humans are lazy by default.

because if a doctor or somewhat with the fortitude to be one can get by with the same rewards of being a janitor, why would they push themselves? there has to be an initative.. humans aren't that altrustic to think it would happen otherwise

and socialists/communists always think they'll be the ones at the top

But they forget that even a society where everyone gets food/water/tools etc
needs people picking up trash and poop

At least in US culture, I'd wager that people are most unhappy when they're unproductive.

@LotheronPrime thats exactly why it wouldn't work

For communism/socialism to work, doctors etc would need to want to do it out of their own free will

yup

will never happen

exactly

because humans wouldn't do it

i can see doctors do it out of their free will

some doctors

sure

not enough though

Some doctors would.

You've got to consider the reasoning behind different career choices. Some people arrive at the same career through different paths and personality types.

not enough people would study for months on end, whole evenings etc whilst their counterparts go out and bang chicks cuz, who cares, you get paid the same, you get the same house and car value

that, exactly

and I argue that's a bad outlook on life

the inherent problem is that the focus of communism is completely wrong

you'd get some people sure

But not nearly enough

we're supposed to THRIVE

You've got doctors that want to help people, you've also got doctors who like the godlike power of life/death.

Some do it out of empathy, some do it out of ego.

thriving is competition.. all species are in competition

yes, and a big fat paycheck is good motivation too

its just the natural way of things

but if your paycheck equals that of a janitor.. where's the motivation beyond altruism?

communism says everyone should be/have "the same" while the focus should ba that everyone should have as much as possible.

but thats why it wont work

Humans aren't generally "Oh i'll work my hardest for no extra cost cuz i'm just that nice"

besies

besides

you CAN DO THAT NOW

if you're a doctor

you can do it for free

or janitor wages

now if you so choose

and yet very few do

so given the choice, it doesn't happen, so you can't force it with acceptable results

of course there are those that do

but not enough for it to be anything more than a rounding error.. lets be honest